Our 2010 First Round Draft Pick Should Be...

[Ruhskins]

For all those of you that want a QB in the 1st round, can you please tell me of a rookie QB that has been successful with an o-line that can't pass protect or run block?

I think people seem to forget that not only is our pass protection shot to shit, but our line can't run block. So you're going to put a rook QB to get shell shocked in front of a shitty line, without a good running game? Great, I can't wait for next season.

That being said, I would take a tackle with the first round pick. If a good QB is available, I would pick him up in the 2nd round. I think we can pick up a good RB in the 4th round. Also, let's not forget that our problems won't be solved with one draft.

Personally, I'd try to sucker a team into giving me round picks for Portis or anyone else we can afford to lose and can garner some picks. But that would require a change in the FO, which I pray it happens.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For all those of you that want a QB in the 1st round, can you please tell me of a rookie QB that has been successful with an o-line that can't pass protect or run block?

I think people seem to forget that not only is our pass protection shot to shit, but our line can't run block. So you're going to put a rook QB to get shell shocked in front of a shitty line, without a good running game? Great, I can't wait for next season.

That being said, I would take a tackle with the first round pick. If a good QB is available, I would pick him up in the 2nd round. I think we can pick up a good RB in the 4th round. Also, let's not forget that our problems won't be solved with one draft.

Personally, I'd try to sucker a team into giving me round picks for Portis or anyone else we can afford to lose and can garner some picks. But that would require a change in the FO, which I pray it happens.

Ah a guy with my line of thinking. Trade Portis for multiple picks. I would even consider trading Haynesworth during an uncapped year for possible multiple #1 picks. Even multiple second rounders would be acceptable to me for both guys(try to get 3 picks for Al if they are second or thirds). I know getting rid of Al right away sounds nuts, but if you want to rebuild a line relatively quickly that is what you need to do. The newbie that called us idiots did make an excellent point after the collective insult. We really are looking at a massive overhaul, and to me getting multiple picks fast is the way to do it. We then have room to draft a QB, some DBs, etc. Big Al is earning his keep for sure, but unless we can score points and find a way to win, his services are useless.

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Ah a guy with my line of thinking. Trade Portis for multiple picks. I would even consider trading Haynesworth during an uncapped year for possible multiple #1 picks. Even multiple second rounders would be acceptable to me for both guys(try to get 3 picks for Al if they are second or thirds). I know getting rid of Al right away sounds nuts, but if you want to rebuild a line relatively quickly that is what you need to do. The newbie that called us idiots did make an excellent point after the collective insult. We really are looking at a massive overhaul, and to me getting multiple picks fast is the way to do it. We then have room to draft a QB, some DBs, etc. Big Al is earning his keep for sure, but unless we can score points and find a way to win, his services are useless.

I wouldn't oppose to the idea of trading Portis, but who do u think would actually try to trade and give up first day round pick for a RB with tons mileages? As for Haynesworth, I said, keep him.. Yes he doesn't score points but he keeps the game close.. He is making Carter look like a real legit DE right now, now try imagine and apply that to Orakpo when he's full-time DE? It would be beast.. And beside, I'm pretty sure Snyder has fallen in love with him, he ain't gonna let Haynesworth go..

There is a possibility that we could rebuild the O-line overnight (off-season), just like we did with our D-line? But of course, it all depends on what we do with our QB situation.. If we do right by the QB situation, then there would be a possibility of completely improved offense next season..

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by GridIron26

I wouldn't oppose to the idea of trading Portis, but who do u think would actually try to trade and give up first day round pick for a RB with tons mileages? As for Haynesworth, I said, keep him.. Yes he doesn't score points but he keeps the game close..

There is a possibility that we could rebuild the O-line overnight (off-season), just like we did with our D-line? But of course, it all depends on what we do with our QB situation.. If we do right by the QB situation, then there would be a possibility of completely improved offense next season..

Honestly, I'd be happy getting a 3rd or 4th rounder for Portis. I'm sure we could get a good back in the 3rd or 4th round.

Originally Posted by GMScud

Exactly. Look at how a guy like Jake Long has helped Miami. Or how the Jets O-line (a few first rounders) is helping out Sanchez. Actually, when I think about guys like David Carr and Patrick Ramsey, you could literally break a guys spirit by throwing him to the NFL wolves as a young QB with pathetic protection. Build the lines, everything else will follow.

That's what we will have with a 1st round QB with our terrible line.

[funked]

I know it was supposed to be about the first round pick, but overall I would not be opposed to:

1.) OT
2.) QB
3.) OL
4.) OL
5.) RB
6.) OL
7.) DL

[GridIron26]

Originally Posted by funked

I know it was supposed to be about the first round pick, but overall I would not be opposed to:

1.) OT
2.) QB
3.) OL
4.) OL
5.) RB
6.) OL
7.) DL

I pretty much like this idea, lol.. Except for 7th pick and we have no 3rd, we can wait until next off season to address defense through draft.. Although I would like us to try and find a SLB through free agent during the off season..

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by funked

I know it was supposed to be about the first round pick, but overall I would not be opposed to:

1.) OT
2.) QB
3.) OL
4.) OL
5.) RB
6.) OL
7.) DL

Something along those lines should happen, obviously with a trade down involved for us to acquire a 3rd rounder or maybe even an additional 2nd.
For the most part I agree with what you posted, although I'd like to see us go RB with a pick higher than the 5th round, and we're gonna need more LB depth. We need so much help on offense it's gross. TE is the only place we're set IMO.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

For all those of you that want a QB in the 1st round, can you please tell me of a rookie QB that has been successful with an o-line that can't pass protect or run block?

I think people seem to forget that not only is our pass protection shot to shit, but our line can't run block. So you're going to put a rook QB to get shell shocked in front of a shitty line, without a good running game? Great, I can't wait for next season.

That being said, I would take a tackle with the first round pick. If a good QB is available, I would pick him up in the 2nd round. I think we can pick up a good RB in the 4th round. Also, let's not forget that our problems won't be solved with one draft.

Personally, I'd try to sucker a team into giving me round picks for Portis or anyone else we can afford to lose and can garner some picks. But that would require a change in the FO, which I pray it happens.

Exactly. Look at how a guy like Jake Long has helped Miami. Or how the Jets O-line (a few first rounders) is helping out Sanchez. Actually, when I think about guys like David Carr and Patrick Ramsey, you could literally break a guys spirit by throwing him to the NFL wolves as a young QB with pathetic protection. Build the lines, everything else will follow.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Exactly. Look at how a guy like Jake Long has helped Miami. Or how the Jets O-line (a few first rounders) is helping out Sanchez. Actually, when I think about guys like David Carr and Patrick Ramsey, you could literally break a guys spirit by throwing him to the NFL wolves as a young QB with pathetic protection. Build the lines, everything else will follow.

Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?

[DBUCHANON101]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?

Yeah but in Spurrier's blocking schemes he also had way too many plays where the backs would be one on one with the DE. not defending Ramsey but i remember many of those replays of our rb getting ran through for the sack.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?

The Jets drafted D'Brickashaw Ferguson in the first round 4 years ago though.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well the Jets traded for two of their 1st rounders and they'd been in the league for a while before joining the Jets. We've kind of got that now with Levi Jones (I won't bring up Mike Williams in this case because he hadn't played in so long). And didn't Ramsey have 1st rounders at each end protecting him?

Yeah, but Spurrier's offense hung him out to dry.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This isn't about what player to draft, but rather what position.

Seems like we're pretty split between OL or QB. I'm in the draft a QB in the first round camp, but wanted to see what the group thought.

I threw in RB just for added measure

Sorry Smooty, but according to the poll results 81% want O line. Qb is tempting for sure, but a nice new QB with a crappy line is a crappy QB. JC has basic mechanical problems, but the damn line just enhances those problems. Not to mention Portis isn't producing squat. In another thread I said that the '95-'97 squads really didn't suck all that bad, not compared to this one. I mean Terry Allen was one of the top rushers in '95-'96. Without a good line you can't run or pass, and that is what we are facing currently.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Sorry Smooty, but according to the poll results 81% want O line. Qb is tempting for sure, but a nice new QB with a crappy line is a crappy QB. JC has basic mechanical problems, but the damn line just enhances those problems. Not to mention Portis isn't producing squat. In another thread I said that the '95-'97 squads really didn't suck all that bad, not compared to this one. I mean Terry Allen was one of the top rushers in '95-'96. Without a good line you can't run or pass, and that is what we are facing currently.

Well most of you are wrong

Seriously though, I get the sense some people think that of us who say take a QB first are saying ignore the line. And that's not the case, not from me at least. I mean I'm not opposed to going OL in the first and QB in the second. Really, I'm not. But, looking at this year's potential picks (and also peeking ahead as best as possible to the 2011 draft), I lean toward QB first

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well most of you are wrong

Seriously though, I get the sense some people think that of us who say take a QB first are saying ignore the line. And that's not the case, not from me at least. I mean I'm not opposed to going OL in the first and QB in the second. Really, I'm not. But, looking at this year's potential picks (and also peeking ahead as best as possible to the 2011 draft), I lean toward QB first

When we were a 6-2 team last year, the offensive backfield was our best unit. It might still be our best unit, with Cooley on the mend, but only because pretty much every unit has been terrible.

I support the notion that a great player in the offensive backfield could make the lines job easier, but I would suggest that you should make it a great running back, someone who could make a decent running team out of the current line.

The Redskins simply do not have the receivers to make the next two years of the passing game anything but a moderate success, best case scenario. However, since we tend to block well with our receivers against other DBs, and we're trying to build the OL anyway, I think the quickest way to make the OL look competent would be to get the best available RB.

If we were to go to a more run, run, play action style of offense, you'd probably want to change the quarterback as well, since Campbell is more of a read and react style player, than a PA, throw the ball in a tight window down the field. But since we can't really make great strides in the passing game with just an offseason or two, lets go to work on the running game first.