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[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Didn't he create nature?

He also created boobs and ________!!!!!!

[RedskinRat]

FD, you'd need to post evidence in the form of a picture.

Here's a quote from Carl. I like Carl, he seems cool:

[RedskinRat]

[Alvin Walton]

[MTK]

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[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

lol

We know their are no gay aliens on Jupiter or the rings would be this color:

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by firstdown

He also created boobs and ________!!!!!!

Way to bring your A game FD.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Way to bring your A game FD.

more like his DD game

[Alvin Walton]

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

I assumed FD was taking the piss, despite the lack of LOL or /SARC

So you don't think nature has its way of removing the weak from the masses?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Oh, come on Joe! You're saying the way religion works for you is 'X'.

Science works the same way for everyone. No need for mystics to interpret it. You may want to ask a scientist but a scientific fact is always the same.

Wow yourself.

Then to be clear for the overtly obtuse. In response to your question:

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

JR, are you suggesting that religion has always championed science?

I stated:

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

<snip> The ... answer to the interplay between religion and science is much more nuanced and not subject to a simple "yes" or "no" answer.

Ultimately, "Religion" is a human construct that is subject to corruption both temporal and spiritual. ...

In history, religion has both championed and persecuted science.<snip>

While true that science "works the same way for everyone", I simply do not share your belief that all the universe's questions can be or can potentially be answered by science or, more specifically, "the scientific method".

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by That Guy

the universe is infinite so that proves god?

No one and nothing "proves" the existence of God in the manner you seek it.
No right minded christian would assert as such. Belief in God is a leap of faith, for some, the leap is a manageable distance. For others, it is a cavernous distance that only a fool would attempt.

Originally Posted by That Guy

i dunno, i can procedurally generate game content thanks to my PC (textures, objects, worlds etc) throw in a random seed, and off it goes. artificial intelligence has been "gene-seeded" from nothing (give it a problem, have it do random things, anything that helps get the goal is kept and try it again).

there's also a lot of symmetry between water/electrical/light based system (plumbing has the equivalent of a transistor for example) and rays/waves, so maybe that's just the extrapolation of micro forces/rulesets (physics/mechanics)...

You may be right. The universe may just be running on a set of incredibly complex extrapolations from an original point. However (1) Such a theory is just as unprovable as the existence of God; and (2) The question of origin remains - how were the extrapolations set in motion? Did they spring from nothingness? Was a blank universe "programed" somehow? Even if running on giant infinitely continous "loop" program, how was the universe set in motion?

As to the origin, Atheists, as I understand it, assert either (1) nothing came from nothing and eventually we will be able to prove it; or (2) no f'ing clue, but, however, it happened it is or will be explainable by the scientific method.

Theists simply say - no f'ing clue but it was the result of a creator who's ulitmate and entire being cannot be proven by the scientific method.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

No right minded christian would assert as such..

There is no such being as a 'right minded theist', you're not right minded if you believe in such things.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

You may be right. The universe may just be running on a set of incredibly complex extrapolations from an original point. However (1) Such a theory is just as unprovable as the existence of God; and (2) The question of origin remains - how were the extrapolations set in motion? Did they spring from nothingness? Was a blank universe "programed" somehow? Even if running on giant infinitely continous "loop" program, how was the universe set in motion?

Check out the Smolin Solution.