Michael Moore's Latest Target: Your HMO

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Drug addiction is one of the mandates and why should I be forced to buy this coverage if I do not use drugs?

I think it is a basic thing about society, people help people. If someone is introuble you can't turn your backs on them. It is completely understandable that people don't want to pay for other people's problems but who knows what can happen tomorrow? You could be the one in need of help. I've just always grown up under the understanding that if you can, you help those in need.

However, not everyone is going to agree on that and that is ok. That is what makes voting great. I hope that people's opinions on this issue are really expressed in the next election. That is why we should be happy that moore made this movie because it encourages people to make up their minds. Now it is true that many people will watch his movie and believe what he says regardless but i would hope that the american people study an issue before they vote for those who are for and against it.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by firstdown

For the people who think that the goverment should run health care please name one program that the goverment has that cost have not sky rocketed. Do we need some reform? Yes, but the federal goverment will only add to the problem. They have allready caused the price of health ins. to sky rocket by all the mandates they have required the heath ins. co. to provide under their policies. Drug addiction is one of the mandates and why should I be forced to buy this coverage if I do not use drugs?

How come that the ones who think goverment should run health ins. always avoid this question? I also see same people who support Goverment run health care saying what a mess that the goverment made when Katrina hit and still want them to run health care which represents around 9% of our national spending.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by firstdown

How come that the ones who think goverment should run health ins. always avoid this question? I also see same people who support Goverment run health care saying what a mess that the goverment made when Katrina hit and still want them to run health care which represents around 9% of our national spending.

Honestly I'm not sure what the ultimate answer should be. Should health care be run by the gov't only, or should it be run by private industry and the gov't, or a does private industry just need more oversight by the gov't?

I really don't know, all I know is the system needs fixing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Honestly I'm not sure what the ultimate answer should be. Should health care be run by the gov't only, or should it be run by private industry and the gov't, or a does private industry just need more oversight by the gov't?

I really don't know, all I know is the system needs fixing.

The federal goverment is already involved in the health care industry with expensive mandates that we have to pay for weather we need the coverage or not. A good example is mandated drug adiction coverage which I myself do not need but have to pay for every single month.

[BigSKINBauer]

i feel moore does a good job opening discussion and i feel discussion is one of the most important things. I don't care which way things go. As long as the american people want it. That is what a democracy is all about. I don't care for moore. He does a great job but moore the person means nothing to me.

While yes, most people have health insurance, and many of those that don't choose not to have it,doesn't mean everyone is comfortable. I would like to look into the issue a lot more. Now some of the things in the movie are extremely disturbing. Some say that if your plan doesn't cover a treatment you shouldn't have your claim accepted if you apply for it. However, moore shows people having their claims denied for 'lying' on their application for insurance. Now some lies, i am sure are legitamely people lying, however moore shows people being denied for minor cases that they did not report. Things that have no bearing on their future health.

Moreover, what is important is the intent behind that. It seems like insurance companies don't look into the paper work UNTIL there is a health related issue. They have no problem taking your money until its their time to pay up. Also it is messed up that those hired to decide whether a claim is accepted get bonuses for denying you treatment. This is ludacris. This is people's health. It doesn't make sense to have a profit making industry behind this. Its not like the police and fire depts. are deciding who to help and not help. This is a basic function of life(actually it is life) and it should be protected by a governing body.

Now I felt these were compelling issues that were brought up. The evidence of people testifying in court and the testomony shown by those in the industry seem to support it. Now we all know that Moore techniques have been called into question many times so i'll want to discuss and research this a lot more before i vote.

However, i know universal healthcare would benefit me personally. My parents don't make much money. Their jobs don't give them benefits. I have healthcare but not dental. I am telling you, i've had this f...ing chipped tooth in the back of my mouth that hurts like a mother f...er. I wouldn't tell my parents because they'd insist that i have it checked but without dental i really don't want to have to pay the money it would cost. I haven't seen a dentist in 5-6 years.

They feel that healthcare is so important that they would never cancel it. However it is draining 1200 a month from us and that is a HUGE amount of money for us to spend per month. We get a lot of help from our family and our extended family is EXTREMELY close to us. My cousins are no different than my sister. I am to my uncle as his son is to him, i honestly believe that. 1200 a month would be fantastic when it comes to my college costs. I didn't get as much financial aid as i would have hoped for this year. That has made me even think about many options like sitting out a year and saving up. However, my extended family is helping me with loans and I am taking out a few on the side. I will owe quite a bit when i get out but that is ok. I say all this just to say, while most people have healthcare, many cannot really afford it. I would love 1200 more a month. Not that all of it would go to college costs but it would help out so much. I feel that healthcare is a basic utility that should be provided to all people and it shouldn't be an expense that they weigh decisions over.

[BigSKINBauer]

I will have to do more looking into it but i would like the government to provide a healthcare plan and the people have the option to switch to private, either by their employer or self. Now I would feel a tax break would be in line for those on private healthcare but it is a luxury so it shouldn't be substancial. I would like this form to be implemented in the next 5-9 years. I really need to look at the plans of barack and hilary to decide which one makes more sense. I know hilary is saying she'll have it done by 2016 and obama is saying 2012. Kucinich is one person all for complete universal healthcare only but he has no chance at this election. I would like to see a private and universal healthcare system first and see how it works and possibily transition to a non-privatized industry.

All this saying, there should be more govt regulation over the private healthcare systems regardless.

[saden1]

With the way we're spending money and mortgaging the future the question we should ask ourselves is not should we have a national healthcare but rather can we afford to have a national healthcare program.

Head of U.S. Government Accountability Office:

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by saden1

With the way we're spending money and mortgaging the future the question we should ask ourselves is not should we have a national healthcare but rather can we afford to have a national healthcare program.

Head of U.S. Government Accountability Office:

Man, that sucks. But I still feel that the most basic of services is not being provided. Even if this is not a possibility today I still want the wheels to start turning. This has to be done in the next 20 years. All countries can do it, why can't the greatest country in the world do it?

That guy beats around the bush to much too. I like how he clearly is against medicaid and Social Security but refers to them as "tough decisions". I also like how the war ONLY takes up 100 Billion a year.

[dmek25]

jsarno, while i feel I'm in the same boat as you, when it comes to hard work and basically over achieving, you fail to remember one thing. everyone cant be the chief. you need some Indians, also. that janitor making 12.00 an hour, we need him as much as the boss raking in six figures

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by dmek25

jsarno, while i feel I'm in the same boat as you, when it comes to hard work and basically over achieving, you fail to remember one thing. everyone cant be the chief. you need some Indians, also. that janitor making 12.00 an hour, we need him as much as the boss raking in six figures

Just remember...EVERYTHING you do has a consequence. You don't always know what it is. But when you make poor choices, then your opportunity for success becomes less. When you think negatively, your opportunity for success dramatically decreases. In fact, I would wager that anyone that believes they can't be successful is right. Negativity is a cancer. It's also something that a lot of people here keep spewing. All the "can't" comments are astounding, and they don't even realize it.
dmek, I never said we don't need him, I think you are assuming I think he is a "useless" person. He is not. He didn't have initiative, and didn't want to be something more. Those kinds of people become complacent. The majority of the country is that way, and it doesn't make them bad people, or dumbasses...it just means they don't aspire for more. That's their CHOICE. They could also die completely happy that way. More power to them. But I have a desire for more, and I will work to get it. I do not apoligize for being successful, nor should anyone begrudge me for it. Those that complain about "the rich" most of the time, are jealous that things didn't fall into their laps. Nothing comes to you, you HAVE to go get it.

ps- everyone is an Indian in some way...even CEO's report to board members. Even the general of the army has to report to the president. While I have been management for years, I have ALWAYS had a boss. It has to do with making wise decisions, being accountable for your actions and working hard enough to reach for the brass ring.
Our society has become accepting of failure. A lot of comments here prove it. I'm not accepting of it. I am successful, but I will be a lot more successful because I will never quit.

[BigSKINBauer]

MOore went off on CNN
The Raw Story | Michael Moore slams CNN, Wolf Blitzer on live TV

Breitbart.tv » Michael Moore Mocks Indian Anchor’s Name During On-Air Tirade Against CNN

I can't watch the video but tell me if it is any good.

[70Chip]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

MOore went off on CNN
The Raw Story | Michael Moore slams CNN, Wolf Blitzer on live TV

Breitbart.tv » Michael Moore Mocks Indian Anchor’s Name During On-Air Tirade Against CNN

I can't watch the video but tell me if it is any good.

He's probably drinking again. He's a well known juicer.

[saden1]

Nixson on healthcare..a must watch (at 2:00 min):

[saden1]

Thought this might be relevant to the discussion.

Richard Carmona - Bush’s first Surgeon General.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Did anyone else catch his debate with Sanjay Gupta on Larry King Live tonight?