Update: Second Boston Marathon Suspect Captured

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Less than one week from crime to apprehension. Not sure how that is not "doing the best job they can". It seems you are complaining about the lack of perfection. Fine. It wasn't perfect, but it was as damn close to it as I could have imagined less than a week ago.

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.


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I hear you, for that one thing, it appears they did a "bad" job. At the same time:

(1) without knowing more, not sure we can say they missed something blatant; you are assuming he was leaving a blood trail, maybe he didn't immediately, maybe it was in his clothes and not on the ground. I don't know, I wasn't there. Someone more familiar with LE can probably provide at least 5 or 6 reasonable explanations as to why they lost him all of which would be in line with the appropriate level of LE standards of care.

(2) Again, taking that one incident out of context is to demand perfection and, in a situation like this, I just think that to be an unreasonable demand. You disagree, I get it.

You're right. It could have been ugly. It could have been ugly from the get go, but, ultimately, it wasn't and that, to me, is what's important.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Her JR, I am JUST critiquing their abysmal job of containing the younger brother post-shootout. If he was as committed to the cause as the older brother it could have been stupendously ugly.

A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, but had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

Their goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.

[mbedner3420]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

A few things.

1) I think you are basing this mostly on the trail of blood, but I doubt that there was much of a trail. Yes he was bloody at the end, but had he been bleeding bad enough to leave a long obvious trail he would not have lived through the day.

2) the main focus was the house to house to make sure that he hadn't taken any hostages or created a death trap environment somewhere. An injured weak man in a boat was not as much of a threat, even if he had an suicide vest on.

3) They also contained him to Boston early on by stopping all transit exits.

There goal may have been to get the guy, but first off was to avoid civilian casualties, and proceed in a methodical approach, eliminating chances for a bad ending.

Again, a weak, even suicidal man in a boat is a far less dangerous situation than a wounded man with just a gun in a household with 3 or 4 hostages.

I am sure they will do an after action review, and maybe decide that the search grid was to small originally, but I doubt there was a bloody trail that led right to where he was hiding. Dogs would have found that quickly and easily.

Extremely well stated.