Ramsey and McCants

[celts32]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Right, which basically brings me to the point that we all get a little emotionally attached to our first round picks.

A PERFECT EXAMPLE = Rod Gardner

Another person who is shockingly similar to Ramsey. 1st round pick, not panning out so well, but each one of us called for him to be given another year, myself included.

Once we get past the emotional attachment, it won't be so bad.

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

[DirtBagZ]

From today's Washington Post,

Yesterday, the only question Ramsey declined to answer concerned his turnover issues (two touchdowns and four interceptions) during preseason games. Ramsey was intercepted once Sunday by the Chicago Bears and, according to another offensive starter who requested anonymity, that interception -- on Ramsey's second pass of the game -- occurred when a receiver ran the wrong route, adding to Ramsey's frustration about the decision.

So Ramsey Bashers, and Brunell believers, what do you have to say now? I don't think a single person on this forum even entertained the possibility that the WR ran the wrong route and suprise the pass looks bad, when the WR is not there! I am glad the players are coming out, for now there is a record and no way in hell should Gibbs be given nine games of Brunell to ruin the season AGAIN! Someone, and most likely it will have to be Snyder is going to have to have to say something. This is why we need a GM, like said before Gibbs coach GOOD, Gibbs coach & GM BAD.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by DirtBagZ

From today's Washington Post,

Yesterday, the only question Ramsey declined to answer concerned his turnover issues (two touchdowns and four interceptions) during preseason games. Ramsey was intercepted once Sunday by the Chicago Bears and, according to another offensive starter who requested anonymity, that interception -- on Ramsey's second pass of the game -- occurred when a receiver ran the wrong route, adding to Ramsey's frustration about the decision.

So Ramsey Bashers, and Brunell believers, what do you have to say now? I don't think a single person on this forum even entertained the possibility that the WR ran the wrong route and suprise the pass looks bad, when the WR is not there! I am glad the players are coming out, for now there is a record and no way in hell should Gibbs be given nine games of Brunell to ruin the season AGAIN! Someone, and most likely it will have to be Snyder is going to have to have to say something. This is why we need a GM, like said before Gibbs coach GOOD, Gibbs coach & GM BAD.

You make it sound like it's Gibbs plan to ruin the season. Gibbs has won at everything he ever did yet this season he decided he wanted to sabotage himself. He obviously thinks Brunell gives him a better chance to win.

[ArringtonRules]

No I think the point being made is that Gibbs is hoping that Brunell is the QB he was expecting. The thing that annoys me the most is that Gibbs has already made his mind about Ramsey. Ramsey seemed in command and made some key 3rd down conversions. For all Gibbs talk about core players and all, he seems to be quite good at turning player away from this organization. Smoot and Pierce are gone and now so will Ramsey

Originally Posted by celts32

You make it sound like it's Gibbs plan to ruin the season. Gibbs has won at everything he ever did yet this season he decided he wanted to sabotage himself. He obviously thinks Brunell gives him a better chance to win.

[DirtBagZ]

Originally Posted by celts32

You make it sound like it's Gibbs plan to ruin the season. Gibbs has won at everything he ever did yet this season he decided he wanted to sabotage himself. He obviously thinks Brunell gives him a better chance to win.

Just maybe, just maybe, Gibbs does not have it anymore. Dick Vermiel's comeback almost ended prematurely, save for an unexpected find in Kurt Warner and an injury to Trent Green, if I recall correctly he was close to being fired, before that season they won the Superbowl. Now I am not advocating firing Gibbs, and he definitely gets this season, but if we are 6-10, or worse, all bets are off.

Yes this is blasphemy to some, but these illogical decisions by Gibbs the GM are getting to be too much, and some may have long term negative consequences on the team. Everyone talks about the three rings, but there was always a GM to counterbalance things on those Superbowl winning teams. I remember when the Redskins were the model franchise and always had the knack for acquiring a key player via Plan-B free agency. Now our front office is a running joke within the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

I used to have an emotional attachment to Ramsey, but at this point I am about ready to pass the beer nuts on him. For whatever reason he just has not progressed and Gibbs has seen enough...

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

I think you need to take your rational thinking and even-mindedness somewhere else!

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I wish more people would admit that emotion is what is holding Ramsey so dear to them.

I went back and watched most of the Bears game last night, and while Ramsey did look good at times, he also looked pretty bad at others. He fired several overthrows and just doesn't look very decisive at times.

That's pretty much been the book on him his entire career. He's inconsistent. He'll thrill you on one play and kill you the next. He's the kind of QB that drives Gibbs crazy.

I just don't see why there's such an uproar over this. As bad as Brunell was last year, Ramsey was only slightly better.

Ramsey seems like a good guy, and he's a very likable guy. I think we really wanted him to succeed, but right now Gibbs feels that a change would be beneficial to the team, so let's roll with that for now and see where it takes us. I really don't see what we have to lose.

if we could trade for Roethlisbeger right now, you think people would still be clamoring for Ramsey? Yes Ramsey gambles, but with Portis and our defense we had good chances to win.

Brunell had his chance to endear himself to us as fans all of last season. if he looked good, do you think any of us would be 'freaking out' as you say? emotional attachment is secondary. unless it applies to blind faith in Gibbs of course, that emotional attachment is allowed. go back and find some video of Brunell's passes last season against real defenses really trying to murder him.