The Super Bowl Thread

[SFREDSKIN]

Did Mike Shanahan secretly coach the Broncos last night? They sure played like the 2013 Redskins, maybe Keith Burns coached the ST's.

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm not saying he is not, but people act like he's carrying Seattle on his shoulders.

I know , and I agree with you , QB's get too much credit and too much blame . I always tell people ( as great as Montana was ) if Elway or Marino had been the qb for SF , and Montana either Denver or Miami's Montana would have been 0-4 in the SB .

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think the main reason I was for Seattle in the Superbowl was all of the talk weeks before the Superbowl of "if Peyton Manning wins this super bowl he will be seen as the greatest QB of all time."
That is stupid. Not to mention how much that jinxed Manning.
I am tired of today's pass happy fans and media that do not understand the only reason all of these passing records are being broken is because of the rule changes created by the NFL in the last 10-20 years to promote passing (ratings), like you can not touch a receiver after 2.5 yards from line of scrimmage and many others to protect the Qb.
Individual stats and records are not big deal when you are throwing the more than any one ever has in the history of the game. Or that your teams is so one dimensional that you lose the big game. Winning Superbowl's trumps all individual stats and records.

Exactly !

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

One thing that stuck out was Marshawn Lynch got effing handled by the Broncos' defense. They committed to stopping Lynch and said "Wilson, beat us." And he did. Big game by Wilson, 88.1 QBR, 123 rating. Big on 3rd down. Shoulda had 3 TDs, got 2.

But wait. Isn't he just a game manager?

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Kinda sad Peyton cant throw the ball deep anymore. Pretty evident last night. They pretty much dared him too with there safeties playing up all night.

Peyton had the third highest average yards per pass attempt in the league. I'm sure if he didn't have the Seattle D-line all over him, he could have thrown a couple of deep ones.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

But wait. Isn't he just a game manager?

Exactly, not close.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by budw38

I know , and I agree with you , QB's get too much credit and too much blame . I always tell people ( as great as Montana was ) if Elway or Marino had been the qb for SF , and Montana either Denver or Miami's Montana would have been 0-4 in the SB .

I respectfully because disagree Montana is the man.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Peyton had the third highest average yards per pass attempt in the league. I'm sure if he didn't have the Seattle D-line all over him, he could have thrown a couple of deep ones.

Yeah, Im sure the WR YAC leader D Thomas helped that stat.

Peyton underthrew 2 downfield throws last night. His arm strength certain not close to what it use to be.

[MTK]

Calling him a game manager probably isn't fair, but fact is they don't ask him to do a ton because of their strong running game and D. It's obviously a smart way to go given the results.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah, Im sure the WR YAC leader D Thomas helped that stat.

Peyton underthrew 2 downfield throws last night. His arm strength certain not close to what it use to be.

It is not, but when you have one of the greatest performance by a defensive line on an elite QB, which for some reason you keep undermining, it is a bit ridiculous to say that it was all because of his arm strength.

Seattle's plan wasn't to "dare him" to throw it deep, it was to disrupt Manning's passing attack. And it they did it in an almost flawless manner.

[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I refuse to give carroll credit. He won a division championship with parcells team before he let that team go to shit. He cheated at usc and jumped ship. And now because of his stadiium gets homefield advantage thruout the playoffs. Sanfran would have beat them at home. I think the denver broncos along with the entire afc would have been outclassed by a handful of nfc teams tonite. I give full credit to the seattle gm for bringing in these players. But most importantly i cannot stand him. Lol thats my take and im sticking to it.

With your Anti Carroll attitude you belong on the 49er Webzone where I am slowly phasing myself out. I don't know what you know about college athletics but the football program is usually the bread winner that supports a lot of the other sport programs. Alumini and fans support winners a lot more than losers, so usually it is a win at all cost mentality. All the top university officials know what goes on and so does the athletic director. Pretty sure unless you are at Yale where most all the parents are wealthy cheating goes on.

I was on a D3 team over 30 years ago where players were paid and clothed. It wasn't a lot but it was more than you could make on a full time minimum wage job, and there were frat type houses where you could live and eat for free on top of that. Pretty sure nothing has changed I bet 95% or more
of the football programs cheat, some just get caught more than others.

[skinsfan69]

I think it's time for people to give Wilson the respect he deserves. Yeah, he plays on a great team, but he's a BIG reason why they're a great team. Who are his wr's? Who's his TE? He's not playing with Calvin Johnson or Jimmy Graham. He makes plays, extends them, runs when he has to and just gets the damn job done, all while staying very humble. Very hard not to like Russell Wilson.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

It is not, but when you have one of the greatest performance by a defensive line on an elite QB, which for some reason you keep undermining, it is a bit ridiculous to say that it was all because of his arm strength.

Seattle's plan wasn't to "dare him" to throw it deep, it was to disrupt Manning's passing attack. And it they did it in an almost flawless manner.

Not undermining anything. DLine played great, but Peyton had opportunities he certainly couldnt cash in on. The deep throw to Thomas? first half when he had a step on E Thomas, Peyton makes that throw before surgury. If you go back and watch the New England game, Peyton dinked and dunked down the field.

Safties (lol) were up most the game and they even let Kam play centerfield sometimes. Kam isnt the best cover safety.

But your correct disrupt the passing attack was surely the primary plan with pressure, but it also centered around the short passing attack and allowing zero yards after catch.

[Chico23231]

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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I dont know. I think Wilson has proven in the past if he needed to be clutch and bring a team back from being down, he could have. Thought he played outstanding on a big stage.

One thing telling is the coaching staff wasnt conservative even with a lead. They continued to put the ball in Wilson hand to make plays running and throwing.

A "game manager" is a term used when a coaching staff doesnt have trust or full confidence in their QB to win games. If you watch Seattle, you never get that sense at anytime, in any game situation with Wilson.

A game manager is when the QB is not asked to carry his team but is just asked to not lose the game for the team with interceptions or other stupid mistakes. Which is pretty much what the Seahawks ask of Wilson. He had 94 yards passing when the score was 29-0. With 16 of those 29 points coming from the defense or special teams.

Im not here to criticize Russell Wilson, because his team doesnt ask him to win games for them. He is doing what his coaches ask of him. And Russell, being as smart as he is, knows he doesnt have to score every drive for that team to win so he doesnt press it.

When your defense and special teams outscore the number 1 offense in a game, then just about any decent QB would win that game. Is the country calling him a great QB if he played on a team with a bad defense?