Redskins Sign DeSean Jackson

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

seen all this before, Dan Snyder move written all over it just like McNabb... plenty of ecstatic redskins fans after that one as well.

Another off season championship locked up.

As always I desperately hope I'm wrong and suddenly Dan Snyder fantasy football starts to be a viable team building strategy, or maybe he just gets lucky at some point and it just works out for him, much like his business success where he bankrupted his dad multiple times before he finally accidentally got rich on the 90's big fake "consulting" business fad.

Snyder I feel is more than worthy of a lot of criticism. I imagine that if someone decided to do a show about nightmare bosses Snyder would be on the short list. And given some of the stuff he's done with litigation and the like as well as other things its clear the guy is no saint.

With that said I feel like the one criticism that keeps getting thrown Snyders way in spite of being most unfair is that he has continued to meddle with front office football decisions. I'd say he's actually been quite the opposite, as his involvement in football matters seems to be doing what fans wanted him to do all along, simply open up the vault and sign the checks when needed.

Now maybe thats a product of Allen and Shanahan doing a great job of setting up boundaries, maybe its a product of Snyder taking a lot of the criticism to heart following the 2009 season, but regardless I think at this point its fair to say that his involvement in football decisions is limited at best. Certainly not much different than the level of involvement you see from guys like Kraft and Allen, at least in regards to football matters.

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Nothing at all like the McNabb deal.

Yeah nothing at all

1) seemingly desirable proven player
2) smart franchise that makes more good personnel decisions than bad doesn't want him suddenly
3) franchise with a history of flashy big name off season championship winning moves that tend to blow up in their faces snapps him up.

It's nothing at all like McNabb, one catches the ball and the other throws it... okay you win...

Seriously it's like the guy in your FF league who always snapps up the last two years top performers and is shocked when he doesn't make the playoffs "But I had all the best players" That's Dan snyder's redskins and this off season is no different.

The only question is will they get lucky and make me eat my words or will I be posting a hollow and not at all enjoyable "I told you so" at the end of the season to a bunch of people I totally commiserate with and wish weren't suffering through this bizarro-double-reverse-fecked-up-sports-version-of-groundhogs-day along with me.

Maybe my fellow skins fans know this is doomed just like I do and they just want to cling to that false hope at the beginning of the "off season championship" despite knowing where it most likely will end up. Maybe that's all they have left. I envy anyone who can go into this season expecting more than a mediocre, media circus and player personnel soap opera filled embarrassment.

It all started with "we're going to make RGIII a pocket passer" and got more preposterous from there.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

Yeah nothing at all

1) seemingly desirable proven player
2) smart franchise that makes more good personnel decisions than bad doesn't want him suddenly
3) franchise with a history of flashy big name off season championship winning moves that tend to blow up in their faces snapps him up.

It's nothing at all like McNabb, one catches the ball and the other throws it... okay you win...

Seriously it's like the guy in your FF league who always snapps up the last two years top performers and is shocked when he doesn't make the playoffs "But I had all the best players" That's Dan snyder's redskins and this off season is no different.

The only question is will they get lucky and make me eat my words or will I be posting a hollow and not at all enjoyable "I told you so" at the end of the season to a bunch of people I totally commiserate with and wish weren't suffering through this bizarro-double-reverse-fecked-up-sports-version-of-groundhogs-day along with me.

Maybe my fellow skins fans know this is doomed just like I do and they just want to cling to that false hope at the beginning of the "off season championship" despite knowing where it most likely will end up. Maybe that's all they have left. I envy anyone who can go into this season expecting more than a mediocre, media circus and player personnel soap opera filled embarrassment.

It all started with "we're going to make RGIII a pocket passer" and got more preposterous from there.

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

[44 goes 50 gut]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

3 year old age differences are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?
Circumstances of acquisition are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

3) supports my contention that Snyder was over involved in the McNabb deal as well, thanks. Unfortunately the present coaching staff was hired by Snyder leading to two obvious conclusions... that they might not be that great at judging (based on past Snyder hires), and that they might be towing the company line... something that tends to happen around notoriously infantile Billionaires with short man complexes.

I don't see material differences in these moves... just circumstantial ones.
What matters is that in both cases a team (the same team as it turns out) that has a track record of savvy personnel moves no longer wanted the players, and a team with a history of flashy big name moves that fizzle and turn into media circuses DID want them (in both cases as it turns out).

We shall see, I hope we see DeSean burning DB's and turning into a great signing. I expect to see some burnt DB's yes, but also some pouting under adversity, some over focus by the media on him, some ugly stories printed the night before big games... you know the usual...

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by 44 goes 50 gut

3 year old age differences are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

7 years actually

Circumstances of acquisition are relevant to who got excited and decided to go get the flashy big name how?

What the hell does this mean?

3) supports my contention that Snyder was over involved in the McNabb deal as well, thanks. Unfortunately the present coaching staff was hired by Snyder leading to two obvious conclusions... that they might not be that great at judging (based on past Snyder hires), and that they might be towing the company line... something that tends to happen around notoriously infantile Billionaires with short man complexes.

No one has argued that Snyder and Allen were the big drivers of the McNabb trade, but we're talking about DeSean. By the way, did you know Dan Snyder is taller than Jack Kent Cooke? (well taller than he was when he was alive)

I don't see material differences in these moves... just circumstantial ones.
What matters is that in both cases a team (the same team as it turns out) that has a track record of savvy personnel moves no longer wanted the players, and a team with a history of flashy big name moves that fizzle and turn into media circuses DID want them (in both cases as it turns out).

All I can say here is "Da Fuq?"

We shall see, I hope we see DeSean burning DB's and turning into a great move, I expect to see some burnt DB's, some pouting under adversity, some over focus by the media on him, some ugly stories printed the night before big games... you know the usual...

I hope DeSean wins the Super Bowl MVP and he and Snyder give a big middle finger at the 50 yard line to all the Redskins fans out there

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

7 years actually



What the hell does this mean?



No one has argued that Snyder and Allen were the big drivers of the McNabb trade, but we're talking about DeSean. By the way, did you know Dan Snyder is taller than Jack Kent Cooke? (well taller than he was when he was alive)



All I can say here is "Da Fuq?"



I hope DeSean wins the Super Bowl MVP and he and Snyder give a big middle finger at the 50 yard line to all the Redskins fans out there

I especially love the last part of this post.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

You can't fix stupid

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

44 goes -- you have to admit you got owned here. You're not going to admit it, but clearly the McNabb thing was different as above.

Regardless, I think we get your general point in that big FA moves don't always pan out, but at least we didn't set the franchise back a few picks. I personally think positions like WR or CB should translate on a different team. Most other positions may or may not pan out with different schemes, etc. I suspect DJax will be good if he stays healthy and RG3 can deliver the ball.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

Sadly, a lot of people in the sports media, both national and local have this same mentality.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Sadly, a lot of people in the sports media, both national and local have this same mentality.

Well don't pigeon hole it to sports media. I'm in sports media, I don't have that mentality. Others who aren't in it, do have that mentality

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

1.) McNabb was a mid 30 year old QB past his prime
2) We traded multiple picks to get McNabb
3) Our offensive coordinator said he did not want McNabb

1) DeSean is just hitting his prime at 27 years old
2) We gave up zero picks to get him
3) The OC (and HC) strongly advocated going after him

Anytime we get a "big name" player, out comes the "Well there goes Dan Snyder, playing fantasy football again" rants. Simply amazing

That's interesting. So to try to form how things went in that regime, when the oc said hey I don't like something, did it really didn't matter? To take that further, was he allowed to game plan and even call plays effectively? I expect the hc to have a say in every aspect of the team, but to constantly be second guessed or restrained at every turn probably is frustrating. Seems like having a say in who is your qb is a pretty big deal.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

That's interesting. So to try to form how things went in that regime, when the oc said hey I don't like something, did it really didn't matter? To take that further, was he allowed to game plan and even call plays effectively? I expect the hc to have a say in every aspect of the team, but to constantly be second guessed or restrained at every turn probably is frustrating. Seems like having a say in who is your qb is a pretty big deal.

I was thinking the same thing. "Here, OC, work with the QB you opposed." Da fuq Shanahans.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

That's interesting. So to try to form how things went in that regime, when the oc said hey I don't like something, did it really didn't matter? To take that further, was he allowed to game plan and even call plays effectively? I expect the hc to have a say in every aspect of the team, but to constantly be second guessed or restrained at every turn probably is frustrating. Seems like having a say in who is your qb is a pretty big deal.

Eh, I don't feel like rehashing all the old issues. But as far as McNabb-Kyle said basically "He doesn't fit, I don't think this will work" and his dad said "Make it work"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Eh, I don't feel like rehashing all the old issues. But as far as McNabb-Kyle said basically "He doesn't fit, I don't think this will work" and his dad said "Make it work"

You mean it wasn't Danny's fault? Amazing.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

You mean it wasn't Danny's fault? Amazing.

lol. This maybe the one move that people will tie to Snyder that will work, at least I'm hoping, lol.