Around the NFL: Week 3

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Baltimore ravens should be held responsible for assisting in a cover up, and they seemed to mislead goodell

Do think Goodell and the NFL office should just take the word of the accused and the team that benefits from not suspending the accused?
Even if they misled Goodell and NFL, it is the job and responsibility of the Goodell/NFL to perform a thorough investigation and not rely on the WORD of others. Of course RIce and Ravens are going to try and protect their own. I almost expect that. But for the League office to do the same is a crime. Goodell screwed the pooch. As more sponsors drop out, the NFL will realize it.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Do think Goodell and the NFL office should just take the word of the accused and the team that benefits from not suspending the accused?
Even if they misled Goodell and NFL, it is the job and responsibility of the Goodell/NFL to perform a thorough investigation and not rely on the WORD of others. Of course RIce and Ravens are going to try and protect their own. I almost expect that. But for the League office to do the same is a crime. Goodell screwed the pooch. As more sponsors drop out, the NFL will realize it.

What sponsors have dropped out? I've seen a few take advantage of the situation to get some good PR by wagging their finger at the NFL, but has anyone actually pulled out?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

What sponsors have dropped out? I've seen a few take advantage of the situation to get some good PR by wagging their finger at the NFL, but has anyone actually pulled out?

Crest cancelled an upcoming joint campaign. Radisson locally in Minnesota. Amazed nothing around here in Baltimore that I have heard.

[mlmdub130]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

What sponsors have dropped out? I've seen a few take advantage of the situation to get some good PR by wagging their finger at the NFL, but has anyone actually pulled out?

http://abcnews.go.com/Sports/wireSto...otion-25630755

[Giantone]

Sorry but I think everyone is looking in the wrong direction ,people want to blame owners , commissioners , GM's, Coaches , stop please . The players ,it's the players and it says what as a society we will put up with it is called personal responsibility . Domestic violence is not new,so why are people upset now ,a video tape ,eff that ,that is BS ! People have been screaming about corporal punishment for years ,is it right or wrong ,people have screamed I wish it was back because the kids of today have no discipline and yes discipline and beating are two different things
So the guy who picks up your trash he used a switch on his kids ,it is your right to know about it ,do you care ? I thought in this country you were innocent till proven guilty ,yes I believe if there are accusations they should be taken seriously ,if a child or women is beaten without a doubt that person should go to jail .People ,fans don't like Goodell and want his head simple as that . The things that went down and the way they went down you can blame a couple of dozen people but to blame one person ot to narrow it down to two or three is ludicrous .The Players and society that is who and what to blame .

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Baltimore ravens should be held responsible for assisting in a cover up, and they seemed to mislead goodell

Assisting? What are you talking about? The Ravens orchestrated the whole f*cking cover up. If anyone assisted, was Goodell.

[SmootSmack]

First that press conference was just so so so painful to watch. I shut it off after 5 minutes. Goodell needed to come out with at least one definitive action. This is why I think he should have held a press conference to announce that Rice was being banned indefinitely. He would have gotten some Silver-like respect if he stood in front of a podium and said "Ray Rice is done"

Second, because of my career I've always been more aware I suppose than most of what happens behind closed doors and have heard many stories that would make people cringe (no fixing of games for those of you who want to start threads about that). It's all part of running a multi-billion operation I tell myself. You want the steak, might as well see how they kill the cow.

But I've never seen anything like this. Ever. If Harbaugh actually pushed for them to release Rice and company, good for him and he should be allowed to move on from that toxic situation somewhere else. Cass, who's been a major player in NFL circles for years should be immediately relieved of his duties and "forced" back to his 8 figure partner salary at his old law firm. The Ravens should be docked money and draft picks. Newsome should be suspended for I don't know, 1 year. And Bisciotti the same. That's 1 year minimum.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

First that press conference was just so so so painful to watch. I shut it off after 5 minutes. Goodell needed to come out with at least one definitive action. This is why I think he should have held a press conference to announce that Rice was being banned indefinitely. He would have gotten some Silver-like respect if he stood in front of a podium and said "Ray Rice is done"

Second, because of my career I've always been more aware I suppose than most of what happens behind closed doors and have heard many stories that would make people cringe (no fixing of games for those of you who want to start threads about that). It's all part of running a multi-billion operation I tell myself. You want the steak, might as well see how they kill the cow.

But I've never seen anything like this. Ever. If Harbaugh actually pushed for them to release Rice and company, good for him and he should be allowed to move on from that toxic situation somewhere else. Cass, who's been a major player in NFL circles for years should be immediately relieved of his duties and "forced" back to his 8 figure partner salary at his old law firm. The Ravens should be docked money and draft picks. Newsome should be suspended for I don't know, 1 year. And Bisciotti the same. That's 1 year minimum.

You think after the investigation, the Ravens organization will be penalized?

[MTK]

Brandon Marshall "A Football Life" on right now. Good stuff. Interesting inside peek at Jay Cutler too.

[CRedskinsRule]

Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.

Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Man you really can't stand when your man gets criticized. Its not "the players" or society. It is the individuals who
a) hit their wives and children
b) covered up the actions in an attempt to minimize the damage to their teams
c) glossed over and aided the coverups in order to minimize the impact on the sport.

Society in this case is actually not acting inappropriately IMO which is highly unusual. There is very little hyperbole that I have seen, and no calls for massive crazy legislative movements. Simply outrage at violent actions and an apparent cover-up that followed.

But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Giantone

But what is it you want from him ,did he make mistakes , yes ,never said he didn't, did he admit to them ,yes he did .Yet you act like you didn't know this sort of thing went on and that is what I have a problem with ,many of you want to hang him out and make him the poster boy, sorry ,won't wash .What are you going to do boycott the NFL ,not watch a game ,not shop at a store ,not buy a beer . Fans don't do that for the NBA ,MLB etc ,why is the NFL different ?

Your ability to create impressive strawman arguments shine again.
First you make the argument solely about Goodell- it is not. As Smoot laid out there are several depths to the wrong decisions and actions that deserve objective criticism and sanctions.
2nd you ask the second most useless question on the internet "What would you do" . The point is Goodell, and many others throughout various levels of the NFL were in positions to act and failed.
Finally you raise up as the supposed only option one of boycotting the NFL. Surely sponsors pulling promotions affects NFL behavior and one reason the sponsors did that was because of possible consumer backlash. But even more importantly, this isn't something should require fan action and saying we can't boycott thus nothing more should be done is a simple fallacious argument.

Total number on my ignore list as of now: a giant 1

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Your ability to create impressive strawman arguments shine again.
First you make the argument solely about Goodell- it is not. As Smoot laid out there are several depths to the wrong decisions and actions that deserve objective criticism and sanctions.
2nd you ask the second most useless question on the internet "What would you do" . The point is Goodell, and many others throughout various levels of the NFL were in positions to act and failed.
Finally you raise up as the supposed only option one of boycotting the NFL. Surely sponsors pulling promotions affects NFL behavior and one reason the sponsors did that was because of possible consumer backlash. But even more importantly, this isn't something should require fan action and saying we can't boycott thus nothing more should be done is a simple fallacious argument.

Total number on my ignore list as of now: a giant 1

You seem to spin it a differently than I put it out there but I'm sorry I don't see it your way .

[rbanerjee23]

Laying hands on your adult spouse is domestic abuse. Laying hands on a small, defenseless child is discipline. Go figure.

[rbanerjee23]

Ray Rice should be severely punished because what he did was unconscionable. But Newsome, Bisciotti, Cass, and Goodell came across as pieces of garbage too.