The everything Gruden thread

[Avinash_Tyagi]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I dont get the Gruden hate already.
Hes not even done with his first season.
WTF....I bet you guys walk out of a movie after the first 15 minutes.
Grudens beginning is very similar to Joe Gibbs......

Since when is 3-9 equal to 8-8?

Face it, I've been saying it for a while, but the rest of you guys are just starting to realize it, Gruden is a garbage coach, he is the main problem with this team right now

[mredskins]

Originally Posted by CASKINS

I'm done even trying to defend my position on these issues...I'm going to respond with a number for today

6

It's a missing stat in the discussion about today's game it seems.

Sacks.

[jamf]

I liked Grudens honest approach to criticizing players, but at some point he has to detract blame from the players and put it on the coaches.
If not, he will lose credibility.
RG3 was trashed for putting down the team.
Gruden has been given a pass because players dont want to snap back at the head coach but if I'm on offense, I'm wondering where are the harsh words for the special teams and defensive coaching staff.

This is a good ole boy team and we wont see progress till Bruce is gone and we hire the best guy for the job not just some coaching staff that plays well with the GM.

[MTK]

Trent isn't the problem.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Trent isn't the problem.

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

Then why are we talking about him at all?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

He is implying that it is Gruden's fault that Trent is playing hurt and not doing as well as he has the past two years under Mike.

[Rotten1980]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Then why are we talking about him at all?

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Because he's one of several offensive players who've regressed playing for Gruden. This is Trent's worst year as a pro, is that not obvious to everyone??

His bad year is a symptom of the problem, that's what I'm saying. When your probowl LT is causing penalties left and right, allowing sacks on the QB and looks out of shape and generally sloppy there's a major problem with team leadership. If not the HC, who do you look at??

He's been dinged up most of the year. I think that's his main issue not the HC. Probably a dozen better reasons you could have pointed out IMO.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Rotten1980

Hello straw man! Nobody said Trent was the problem.

The entire first paragraph of your post was all about TW being a problem. Lol


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[Alvin Walton]

My beer is flat @#$+*#!{} Gruden!

[Rotten1980]

We're all on the same page, Gruden doesnt "do" defense and this is his offense, yes??

[Alvin Walton]

Seriously???? Some of you guys are bashing Silverback?
The rest of the O line is playing like Schmuckville College Division 9 and you single out Trent????
WTF???

[saden1]

You guys really don't see the similarities between Gruden and Zorn huh? Gruden can talk all he wants about everyone doing and getting better but exactly is he doing in that regard? That Colt McCoy play where everyone but Logan Paulsen gave up is damning and damaging to the coaching staff. This team is not prepared to play on Sundays. Not even close.

Zorn won 6 games his first season and that's a very low benchmark.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by saden1

You guys really don't see the similarities between Gruden and Zorn huh? Gruden can talk all he wants about everyone doing and getting better but exactly is he doing in that regard? That Colt McCoy play where everyone but Logan Paulsen gave up is damning and damaging to the coaching staff. This team is not prepared to play on Sundays. Not even close.

Zorn won 6 games his first season and that's a very low benchmark.

I believe Zorn went 8-8 year one.