RG3 and Gruden?

[calia]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Just because he can doesn't mean he will. If it were your business would you toss away $20M for nothing?

It's just ignorant of reality.

I am not so sure. He might part with $20M if he thought that the damages to the franchise associated with a coach that cannot get us moving in the direction of winning soon might cost more than that. Not to mention that it might be worth $20M (to him -- he has that luxury) not to have the media shit-storm that the last 7 weeks have wrought.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by calia

I am not so sure. He might part with $20M if he thought that the damages to the franchise associated with a coach that cannot get us moving in the direction of winning soon might cost more than that. Not to mention that it might be worth $20M (to him -- he has that luxury) not to have the media shit-storm that the last 7 weeks have wrought.

Dude, he tried to get Shanahan to resign last year so that he didn't have to pay his final year.

We kept on several coaches as holdovers from that staff so that Dan wouldn't have to pay dead salaries.

Show me a time when Dan Snyder has ever been willing to pay lots of money to a coach to go away?

You're not living in reality.

[calia]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Dude, he tried to get Shanahan to resign last year so that he didn't have to pay his final year.

We kept on several coaches as holdovers from that staff so that Dan wouldn't have to pay dead salaries.

Show me a time when Dan Snyder has ever been willing to pay lots of money to a coach to go away?

You're not living in reality.

And did Shanahan resign, or did he eat that $? I also don't think the holdover coaches were driven by $ (although I concede it may have been a factor) -- I think Gruden's alliegance and relationship (and Allen's) to Haslett was more of a factor.

I confess I do not recall whether Snyder had to pay $ to make Zorn, Schottenheimer or Spurrier go away (although I suspect he may have).

With all due respect, I am not sure you're looking at this the right way. The $ Snyder spent on Gruden was gone the minute Gruden signed the deal. The question is what Snyder will have to pay beyond that to get what he wants -- a coach that can get this team winning. If he thinks that by spending $ to do so he can get that, he will have to evalute the cost relative to how important it is to him. Stated differently, I doubt he will keep a coach that he believes will not climb above 3 wins just to save $20M -- if doing better than 3 wins is worth $20M to him (and I suspect it is). That's particularly true when keeping Gruden (and not paying the incremental cost of another HC) could actually cost Snyder a lot more revenue in an increasingly disenfranchised fan base that isn't buying tickets, jerseys, etc.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by calia

And did Shanahan resign, or did he eat that $? I also don't think the holdover coaches were driven by $ (although I concede it may have been a factor) -- I think Gruden's alliegance and relationship (and Allen's) to Haslett was more of a factor.

I confess I do not recall whether Snyder had to pay $ to make Zorn, Schottenheimer or Spurrier go away (although I suspect he may have).

With all due respect, I am not sure you're looking at this the right way. The $ Snyder spent on Gruden was gone the minute Gruden signed the deal. The question is what Snyder will have to pay beyond that to get what he wants -- a coach that can get this team winning. If he thinks that by spending $ to do so he can get that, he will have to evalute the cost relative to how important it is to him. Stated differently, I doubt he will keep a coach that he believes will not climb above 3 wins just to save $20M -- if doing better than 3 wins is worth $20M to him (and I suspect it is). That's particularly true when keeping Gruden (and not paying the incremental cost of another HC) could actually cost Snyder a lot more revenue in an increasingly disenfranchised fan base that isn't buying tickets, jerseys, etc.

I completely understand the principles of sunk cost. But I don't think you're appropriately factoring in risk.

Here's the thing, as much as I think Jay Gruden stinks, I can't be entirely certain he can't turn the program around. And I can't be entirely certain a new coach could.

So let's go ahead and view the $20M as a sunk cost. To hire a new coach would be another what, $25M commitment? Would he pay $45M for what he might perceive to be a better shot at improvement? Or would he ride it out and pay $20M to someone who could still improve?

Again, it's not what we think he should do (it's easy to spend other people's money). It's a matter of what he will think he should do.

Secondly, I think you overstate the threat to Snyder's revenue stream. We still haven't failed to sell out a home game, despite the sad state of affairs.