All things off season 2015.

[Meks]

^ your always quite the know it all NC, you know Gibbs coached with his heart. Not only to lose a friend, someone you coached and mentored and then to lose in the fashion they did in Seattle in the playoffs? It probably exhausted the man. Don't insult Gibbs, nor the effect of losing what he treated his players like, FAMILY. Its insulting to insinuate that you know what happened, when chances are it DID play a huge roll in what happened. Please, show more respect dude

[calia]

Totally agree. No question losing ST hit Gibbs hard.


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[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Losing ST did nothing in the grand scheme in term of Gibbs walking away. Gibbs wasn't dumb. He knew the team was old and that he had no depth. He simply bailed while he could still muster a competitive team. He knew good and well the moves they made were short term and the window had closed. There wasn't anything noble or some higher calling for Gibbs walking away. He simply quit while the getting was good.

I would put this at about 100% wrong, Gibbs team went 6-2 under Zorn, and that was without Gibbs input on the draft/FA. He could have made the team younger and made a more complete team.

I didn't say it was noble or a higher calling, not even sure what that means. He simply was exhausted from the emotional toll of a football season, and ST's death was the tipping point. (all that is my humble opinion of course)

[CRedskinsRule]

On a different note Walters Football graded last year's draft rumors from national media figures:

I took a glance back and counted how many "wins" and "losses" each reporter had. I didn't look at whom they slotted in their mock drafts - the Wall Street Journal did a good job of that - but rather, my task was delving into reports that said "Team X really likes Player A," or "Team Y plans to trade up."

National Media (2014):

Tony Pauline: 4-3
Bob Holtzman: 2-0
Adam Caplan: 2-1
Chris Mortensen: 2-2
Peter King: 5-6
Charlie Campbell: 2-3
Tom Curran: 1-0
Jeremy Fowler: 1-0
Pete Schrager: 1-1
Jay Glazer: 1-1
Dane Brugler: 1-1
Todd McShay: 1-1
Daniel Jeremiah: 1-2
Ian Rapoport: 2-5
Adam Schefter: 1-3
Jason La Canfora: 0-1
Charley Casserly: 0-1
Ashley Fox: 0-1
Gil Brandt: 0-1
Charles Robinson: 0-1
Field Yates: 0-1
Shawn Zobel: 0-1
Mel Kiper: 0-2
Ed Werder: 0-2
Russ Lande: 0-2
Matt Miller: 0-2
Pro Football Talk: 0-3
Read more at 2014 NFL Draft Rumors Results - WalterFootball.com

Does it shock you PFT was 0-3?

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Does it shock you PFT was 0-3?

No. It shocks me that Jason La Canfora has a job.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

No. It shocks me that Jason La Canfora has a job.

Yeah me too.

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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Meks

^ your always quite the know it all NC, you know Gibbs coached with his heart. Not only to lose a friend, someone you coached and mentored and then to lose in the fashion they did in Seattle in the playoffs? It probably exhausted the man. Don't insult Gibbs, nor the effect of losing what he treated his players like, FAMILY. Its insulting to insinuate that you know what happened, when chances are it DID play a huge roll in what happened. Please, show more respect dude

I didn't say it was a fact. It's my opinion on the matter. I know Gibbs was loved by his players and he had a big heart, while having a connection with them. I've never denied that. What I said wasn't an insult to Gibbs. He's one of the top coaches of all time (if not the best). I never said Gibbs was wrong for walking away either, just noted it wasn't some noble reasoning (like ST/family/etc). When I state something is fact, I'll note is as much. You guys get too butthurt over criticism of your favorite legends. Again, this is merely my opinion on the matter. Stop treating it as if I said this was the exact case.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I would put this at about 100% wrong, Gibbs team went 6-2 under Zorn, and that was without Gibbs input on the draft/FA. He could have made the team younger and made a more complete team.

I said Gibbs knew the team was old and had no depth. Guess what? That downfall after the 6-2 run was due to injuries. They had no depth, and the team was one of the oldest in the league. Gibbs had to know it would require a lot of luck to win with that team.

I didn't say it was noble or a higher calling, not even sure what that means. He simply was exhausted from the emotional toll of a football season, and ST's death was the tipping point. (all that is my humble opinion of course)

I know you didn't say it, I said it. I think people paint whatever picture they want instead of looking at the whole picture. I may be way off base. /shrug


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I'M SORRY CR & MEKS.I WAS WRONG.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I would put this at about 100% wrong, Gibbs team went 6-2 under Zorn, and that was without Gibbs input on the draft/FA. He could have made the team younger and made a more complete team.

I didn't say it was noble or a higher calling, not even sure what that means. He simply was exhausted from the emotional toll of a football season, and ST's death was the tipping point. (all that is my humble opinion of course)

Well, your opinion, his words and the opinions of others. - but, hey, let's not let facts get in the way of a good revisionist rant.

“I have never had a season or been around a team that has had to go through all of this,” Gibbs said in an interview last week. “It was hard on us, but it also made us — or me at least — think about our priorities.”

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“To be in a hole, Sean, the brutal disappointments we had, I felt the team rallied at the end of the year,” Gibbs said Tuesday. “We’re in a position today as opposed to four years ago, bright things are ahead.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/09/sp...ml?%20Joe&_r=0

After that loss, the team was 5-7 and, combined with the timeout debacle, many veteran players privately expressed concern their coach no longer was capable of handling the job.

Defensive end Phillip Daniels said yesterday that he remembered speaking to one of his teammates that week, and both of them expressed worry about their coach's health. "He just looked so tired," Daniels said.
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[A]fter the recent run, Gibbs seemed to feel better about the team's standing. The defense, a problem in 2006, had stabilized, the players bonded after Taylor's death and there was a hope around the team that it had identified its quarterback of the future in Jason Campbell.

"I know this: He would never want to leave an organization in disarray," said Brett Fuller, the team chaplain who spent a great deal of time with Gibbs, an evangelical Christian. "So us making the playoffs probably more than anything helped him make his decision."

Redskins' Gibbs Resigns As Coach

Then, of course, there is the opinion of that football know-nothing John Clayton:

He resigned because the job has taken its toll and he wants to spend more time with his family, especially his 2-year-old grandson Taylor, who was diagnosed with leukemia last year.
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The 2007 season was a drain on Gibbs. Though successful in making the playoffs for the second time in three years, Gibbs and the entire organization paid an emotional price with the tragic death of Sean Taylor. Taylor, a former first-round pick, had a bumpy start in Washington because he was hardheaded and a little rebellious, but he matured into a great player and better person in 2007. Gibbs helped in that process.
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Gibbs leaves the Redskins a much better team than the one he inherited. He assembled a top coaching staff. He appears to have found a quarterback in Campbell, and he built a strong running game with Clinton Portis. The defense, coached by coordinator Gregg Williams, is solid.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/column...ohn&id=3186258

Seemed to be other's opinions as well:

How much better off are the Redskins now than they were four years ago? The answer goes far deeper than the improvement from 5-11 under Steve Spurrier in 2003 to two brief playoff appearances. After Snyder's sequence of petulant coaching purges, Gibbs inherited an organization with almost zero cohesion, collective self-esteem or internal trust. Spurrier, the most casual and disengaged of NFL coaches, barely seemed to know all his players' first names, let alone worry about their character or ability to interact and lead. Gibbs rebuilt the team from the inside out, stressing personal qualities almost as much, at times, as raw athletic ability.

Thomas Boswell - In Touch With His Priorities

[JoeRedskin]

^^ Just as an aside - Google and the internet. Amazing! Took me all of two minutes to find articles from seven years ago. Took me longer to format the answer than to do the research.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ Just as an aside - Google and the internet. Amazing! Took me all of two minutes to find articles from seven years ago. Took me longer to format the answer than to do the research.

Who said lawyers were useless? I kid..I kid...

Also, only if you actually believe what's said in them.


Lastly, I know what was said back then, I just don't buy it.


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IT'S DRAFT DAY GUYS!!!

[53Fan]

Great job JoeRedskin. Great job.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Losing ST did nothing in the grand scheme in term of Gibbs walking away. Gibbs wasn't dumb. He knew the team was old and that he had no depth. He simply bailed while he could still muster a competitive team. He knew good and well the moves they made were short term and the window had closed. There wasn't anything noble or some higher calling for Gibbs walking away. He simply quit while the getting was good.

NC my man, I think you're confusing the 1st time he left with the 2nd. When he left in '93 it was primarily because the team was old and the salary cap era was underway. 2nd go around was different

[Ruhskins]

Hey JoeRedskins, I thought about you when I was listening to Andrew Brandt on the Ross Tucker Podcast, and he gave a perfect example of a going BPA scenario in the draft. Back when he was with the Packers, Brandt recalled their decision to draft Aaron Rodgers. They had Favre at QB, which at that point was not having any issues and QB wasn't really a need.

By the time they got to their pick, Rodgers was their highest rated player and the only player with a first round grade left on their board. So without needing a QB, they rolled the dice, went BPA, and the rest is history. I think this is an excellent example of going BPA in the first round.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

NC my man, I think you're confusing the 1st time he left with the 2nd. When he left in '93 it was primarily because the team was old and the salary cap era was underway. 2nd go around was different

Perhaps.


Does this mean I have to admit to the lawyer I was mistaken? God damnit Smoot.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

No. It shocks me that Jason La Canfora has a job.

Lmao!