All things Redskins training camp

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Per Twitter: At RG, Scherf planted JJ Watt on his ass.

Yesssss......more ass planting please!

[Chico23231]

Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Was at camp from 830 to a lil after 10 today.

Matt jones just looks better Alfmo...seems much quicker and lively runner. Saw redd one time gettin his juke on. He looks leaner and quicker.

Ryan grant and Jordan reed...look like starters. Reed...omg if he could just stay healthy, a natural.

Online, first Houston dline is really good. Second Moses looks like the real deal. I saw schreff get worked a couple times on one on one drills. In pass pro I thought the starters were solid. In running game, everything to the left went fine. Running inside and inside right wasn't good. No push. Outside right wasn't bad, but I didn't see a lot of push inside...just like last year.

Rg3 up and down.

And of course I saw our future kicker Long looking like a badass

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Good stuff. Thanks Chico.

If Grant is making a push and Crowder as well, I just don't see a spot for Andre "The New 50/50" Roberts. Not sure about the Salary Cap repercussions, but both Grant and Crowder are slot type WR's and both seem competent to slide out wide as a WR4. The concern might be whether either step into the every down WR2 role if DJax or Garcon got injured? Also, if Garcon goes down for any reason, our WR corps is on the teeny, tiny smurfy side. While I got nothing against small, quick & fast WR's, an entire corps of smurfs concerns me.

Potential WR depth:
WR: D.Jax, Garcon, Grant, Crowder, Roberts(?), Spencer (?).

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

Saw Garcon catching some balls in traffic, doing a nice job.

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I saw one throw go right through Roberts hands on a hitch. Perfect thrown ball, face level...he turned put his hands up, right through them. Fans groaned.

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.

Originally Posted by Chico23231

RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine

Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

<sigh> I was one of those who initially was a fan of the Roberts signing. I have since been cured of that particular delusion. If I recall, we were also pursuing E. Sanders who wound up in Denver instead (I may be wrong on that - it may be that I just wished we had pursued Sanders).

Now that would be a deadly combination: Garcon, D.Jax, Sanders.



Yup. I have seen that too. The only explanation I have is that the way he has always been allowed/taught to play the position is that - if the initial reads aren't there, start looking to run. Because of his athleticism, he was never consistently required to be patient so, once his internal QB clock hits ~2 - 3.0 seconds and he isn't running, he just doesn't know what to do on an instinctual level and his mechanics, vision, etc. goes straight to hell.

Okay stat geeks: Has anyone broken down RGIII's QB rating based on his "time in the pocket?" i.e. - What's his rating when gets rid of the ball in under 2.5 seconds? 3.0? greater than 4.0? I expect it would be a tough stat to find/measure b/c so many factors go into how long you have in the pocket and why a pass was complete/incomplete. At the same time, I would be really interested in seeing if my perception matched reality.

I saw something about this on TV recently (think it was on ESPN). Unfortunately I cant find it right now while doing a search for it. However, it stated that if RG3 gets rid of the ball in under 2.6 seconds, his accuracy is very high. Once it goes past 2.6 seconds for release, his accuracy drops a large amount.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

...RG3 though...when he gets time to throw, he looks worse. Is that possible? Quick throws, 1st read stuff he looks fine.

Not sure why that is surprising. When a QBs throws quick its usually because the pre-snap read and the design of the play matched up with what happened post snap. Its after the primary is covered that things get wonky consequently most QBs have better stats when the ball is thrown quickly.

[30gut]

We'll see what happens with Brandon whether it RG or RT.

There are so many possible reasons to play him at RG especially this week.

My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.

Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.

If Moses is a better RT then Long is a RG and Scherff is good at either spot what do you do? You put the best OL out there and if its Scherff RG and Moses RT then so be it.

Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

My first thought what better way to test Scherff's ability then to play him against Watt? And he'll get more work against Watt at RG then RT.

Fair point. I was having an old man mental lapse and thinking it was the reverse - that he would get more against Watt in the RT position. Doh!

Originally Posted by 30gut

Callahan wants to work his OL at different spots for depth purposes and you need to play guys at different spots to build that depth.

Yeah, I get this and, in intra-squad practices, it makes perfect sense. On the other hand, this would be Scherff's only chance to work at RT (other than some preseason game snaps) to work against NFL players he doesn't see every day. To me, it is very valuable practice time and, given the original plan to start him at RT, and to me, it would seem more important to get him the reps at RT against these guys. Maybe a few series / plays / whatever at RG but, if he is to be a day one RT starter, get him as many snaps as possible at RT against non-Skins to prep him for his first NFL start.

Ultimately, still plenty of time in preseason to do so. I just find it odd that he would come out of the gate at RG in the inter-squad practice. I am betting that, for the last round against the Texans, Scherff will be at RT. If he is not, I would suggest that the way they envisioned the line has changed in the last few days. Not saying that's a bad thing in any way. Just interesting.

Just watching the two (and, again, I know it is completely unscientific), Moses just looks the part of tackle - long, big wing span. If his technique continues to improve and is consistent, he has the physical tools to be a good to very good RT.

Originally Posted by 30gut

Having a stud at RG is a huge plus for the offense and it would be huge upgrade from watching Chester get pushed 2 yarda into the backfield every snap.

Yup. 100% agree.

[SirLK26]

Logan Paulsen, Preston Smith, Frank Kearse join Redskins’ mounting injured list - The Washington Post

What the hell? This is getting ridiculous.

[Bangee7]

Originally Posted by SirLK26

Logan Paulsen, Preston Smith, Frank Kearse join Redskins’ mounting injured list - The Washington Post

What the hell? This is getting ridiculous.

With the new strength & conditioning program, as well as the new warm-up process, was really hoping strained groins/hamstrings would be minimized.

It feels like we have as many as before.

And seriously, we can't keep ONE cornerback healthy???

[JoeRedskin]

Not sure who was saying it, but somewhere on the twitterverse, from one of the local insider types, were several comments about how AK was looking really good and taking some snaps with the 1's.

As to Scherff or Long to LG if Moses has really stepped it up and is ready to go as the starting RT -- okay. works for me. Having played line (a bazillion years ago), I would suggest it is a more difficult move from RG to LG than it is from RT to RG. Since everything works out from the center, all of a sudden your playing a mirror image of what you were doing before.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Not sure who was saying it, but somewhere on the twitterverse, from one of the local insider types, were several comments about how AK was looking really good and taking some snaps with the 1's.

As to Scherff or Long to LG if Moses has really stepped it up and is ready to go as the starting RT -- okay. works for me. Having played line (a bazillion years ago), I would suggest it is a more difficult move from RG to LG than it is from RT to RG. Since everything works out from the center, all of a sudden your playing a mirror image of what you were doing before.

I see what you mean about the difficulties in moving to the other side of the line. My thought was simply about putting the best five linemen on the field together, since that is said to be Callahan's preference. I don't know if Callahan sees O-Linemen as generic pieces to be moved around until he discovers the best combination of players or what exactly he means by putting the best five OL on the field.

It's possible, in Callahan's mind, that Lauvao might be the best LG right now without being one of the top five OL. Or maybe he is one of the top five linemen. i don't know what Callahan thinks in that regard. But if Scherff, Long, and Moses are three of the top five generic linemen, I wonder if Callahan would move either Scherff or Long to LG.

[JoeRedskin]

More on the Moses/Scherff combo.

Brandon Scherff again worked at right guard, with Morgan Moses still starting at right tackle. Scherff appears to be making adjustments, as is Moses. J.J. Watt didn’t have the disruptive kind of day he had on Thursday. During 2-on-2 blocking/rushing drills, Scherff and Moses actually managed to combine to put Watt on his backside during one of their matchups.

Coaches really are intrigued by the possibility of this Scherff-Moses right side. Again, no final decisions are made. But they believe that they have a chance to develop into a formidable tandem. Yes, Washington spent a fifth overall pick on Scherff, and people will say that’s too high to take a guard. But Bill Callahan doesn’t care about that. He believes Scherff has similar capabilities to Zack Martin, whom the Cowboys drafted as a tackle out of Notre Dame, but then moved him inside to guard in 2014. Martin made the Pro Bowl and earned All-Pro status as a rookie guard. Callahan believes in finding the best five linemen.

Several veterans say that Scherff looks more comfortable at guard, where he is better able to better put his impressive strength to use. This isn’t to say that Scherff can’t develop the footwork to become a standout tackle in the NFL. But teammates say he appears to have less to worry about and is playing to his forte. Stay tuned.

Observations from Day 9 at Redskins training camp - The Washington Post

[SirLK26]

Redskins mailbag: What we’ve learned so far in training camp, shuffling the offensive line and more - The Washington Post

I don’t know that any starter is in a particularly vulnerable spot this early in the year. But Arie Kouandjio could eventually overtake Shawn Lauvao. The other day, Gruden oddly and unprompted slipped in “Arie Kouandjio is really coming along at left guard.” Kouandjio hasn’t seen any first-team action, however, and while he does a decent job against backups in one-on-one drills, he really struggles against the starter types.

That was a few days ago, maybe you saw something more recent Joe.