All Arrington All The Time (Mega Merge Club Mix)

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by offiss

I tend to doubt that, as everyone knows I am the president of the Lavar is the most overated player in the NFL fan club, I find it hard to believe that a coach like Gregg Williams who is maybe the best defensive mind in the NFL, and who also considers all of his players starters who contribute in the game, and plays as many people as he can depending on what circumstances are presented, will not only not start Lavar, but wont even play him, I actually like Lavar as a person, he's a funny guy, and has a down to earth personality, but Lavar the football player has been so grossly overhyped it's ridiculous, does anyone think as I stated time and again in the offseason that Lavar could be very effectivly replaced by nobodies isn't true? Because that's what happened last year, and is also happening again this year.

I can't argue with that other than to say that maybe he just can't be the same player he was before with the banged up knee. I have to imagine if he could rush the passer like has done in the past for us he'd be on the field. I think this is a health issue and if not a health issue it is an issue where the knee is healed but damaged so much it has reduced his effectiveness.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I can't argue with that other than to say that maybe he just can't be the same player he was before with the banged up knee. I have to imagine if he could rush the passer like has done in the past for us he'd be on the field. I think this is a health issue and if not a health issue it is an issue where the knee is healed but damaged so much it has reduced his effectiveness.

The thing is we are not hearing that from either side, and it's not like Lavar has had reconstructive knee surgery, he say's he's 100%, the team hasen't said otherwise, in fact what they have said is Lavar has to learn what we [Williams] want's from him, apparently he's having a major problem figuring that out.

[#56fanatic]

If LaVar is so overrated, how do you explain 3 straight pro-bowls? The man is a competitor that bring 100% every play, every series, every quarter! He is loyal and is a good man. Isn't that the kind of person you want on your team? He is a class act. The man has never had to opportunity to be on the field with this coaching staff. A few preseason games last year. Remember the Atlanta game, when he played, he was all over the field, in Vicks face, caused a fumble, caused and INT, and forced Vick to throw a couple more out of bounds. LaVar was the reason Vick was taken out of the game. They can not possible have a "true read" on LaVar on how he would play in this system. If they are looking at film from Spurriers last year, when the D was bottom 5 in the league, he was trying to do too much, and make something happen. But when you are that bad who could fault him for trying to make a play. In this D, the plays come to the players, thats why Pierce, Marshall and Clark are all stepping up. Put these players(for the exception of Pierce,maybe) on other teams and they are average players. LaVar deserves to be playing for all he has done and agreed to do for this organization. This would be a good time for Danny to express his opinion, you know he wants LaVar on the field. I mean, LaVar was the face of the Redskins for the 5 years, Darrell Green annointed him the next "TRUE REDSKINS"

[Kope]

For me this goes back to trusting the coaches- Like Matty I am torn as LaVar is one of my favorite Skins, but there must be something else going on.

This is the way I see it:

Lavar has to know the defense by now, but he is not forcing the coaches to play him.

This means to me one of two things-

1. There is a petty personal grude here and the coaches are hamstringing LaVar on purpose.

2. LaVar is not executing with in the system to the point where we are better with him on the field.

I have to believe # 2, I just can't see Williams/Gibbs/Lindsay all agreeing to put an their agenda above the team- above all Gibbs wants to win and he has worked through strong personalities before. There is no rumbleing from teammates, no disention in the lockerroom, that says the players either see "it" as well or trust the coaches more than LaVar. I dont know what is going on but with an athlete of LaVar's caliber there has to be something.

I would rather he stays (meaning plays and produces) but we can't pay that kind of cash for a guy who dosent see the field- for what ever reason.

The only thing good out of this whole mess is both side are keeping it in house. What a change that is.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If LaVar is so overrated, how do you explain 3 straight pro-bowls? The man is a competitor that bring 100% every play, every series, every quarter! He is loyal and is a good man. Isn't that the kind of person you want on your team? He is a class act. The man has never had to opportunity to be on the field with this coaching staff. A few preseason games last year. Remember the Atlanta game, when he played, he was all over the field, in Vicks face, caused a fumble, caused and INT, and forced Vick to throw a couple more out of bounds. LaVar was the reason Vick was taken out of the game. They can not possible have a "true read" on LaVar on how he would play in this system. If they are looking at film from Spurriers last year, when the D was bottom 5 in the league, he was trying to do too much, and make something happen. But when you are that bad who could fault him for trying to make a play. In this D, the plays come to the players, thats why Pierce, Marshall and Clark are all stepping up. Put these players(for the exception of Pierce,maybe) on other teams and they are average players. LaVar deserves to be playing for all he has done and agreed to do for this organization. This would be a good time for Danny to express his opinion, you know he wants LaVar on the field. I mean, LaVar was the face of the Redskins for the 5 years, Darrell Green annointed him the next "TRUE REDSKINS"

I agree with most, if not all of what you're saying here. First of all, I don't think LaVar is overated, per se. However, is his current value to the team contractually and athletically worth $10 million?? That's the big question my friend. Yes, unfortunately this is the business side of it. I think when you hear people say, LaVar is overated perhaps they are saying that in terms of how much we are paying him and how well our defense has done without him how can we justify keeping him on the roster.

I really don't think anyone questions his athletic prowess or ability to be an outstanding Pro-Bowl linebacker. But I do think what the Redskins are now asking themselves, especially with the direction the team is taking on being financially responsible, are both parties better off without each other??

Again, LaVar is a great talent and has done a lot of great things for this team and this city but maybe, just maybe it won't be a bad thing if we can deal him somewhere else.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I agree with most, if not all of what you're saying here. First of all, I don't think LaVar is overated, per se. However, is his current value to the team contractually and athletically worth $10 million?? That's the big question my friend. Yes, unfortunately this is the business side of it. I think when you hear people say, LaVar is overated perhaps they are saying that in terms of how much we are paying him and how well our defense has done without him how can we justify keeping him on the roster.

I really don't think anyone questions his athletic prowess or ability to be an outstanding Pro-Bowl linebacker. But I do think what the Redskins are now asking themselves, especially with the direction the team is taking on being financially responsible, are both parties better off without each other??

Again, LaVar is a great talent and has done a lot of great things for this team and this city but maybe, just maybe it won't be a bad thing if we can deal him somewhere else.

good post I agree

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

If LaVar is so overrated, how do you explain 3 straight pro-bowls? The man is a competitor that bring 100% every play, every series, every quarter! He is loyal and is a good man. Isn't that the kind of person you want on your team? He is a class act. The man has never had to opportunity to be on the field with this coaching staff. A few preseason games last year. Remember the Atlanta game, when he played, he was all over the field, in Vicks face, caused a fumble, caused and INT, and forced Vick to throw a couple more out of bounds. LaVar was the reason Vick was taken out of the game. They can not possible have a "true read" on LaVar on how he would play in this system. If they are looking at film from Spurriers last year, when the D was bottom 5 in the league, he was trying to do too much, and make something happen. But when you are that bad who could fault him for trying to make a play. In this D, the plays come to the players, thats why Pierce, Marshall and Clark are all stepping up. Put these players(for the exception of Pierce,maybe) on other teams and they are average players. LaVar deserves to be playing for all he has done and agreed to do for this organization. This would be a good time for Danny to express his opinion, you know he wants LaVar on the field. I mean, LaVar was the face of the Redskins for the 5 years, Darrell Green annointed him the next "TRUE REDSKINS"

I forgot to add 56: I agree we have a some overachievers on our defense. Thanks to Gregg Williams and his staff. But I will disagree that most are average players. It could be argued that many NFL teams, forget about the NFC, many NFL teams would love to have: C.Griffin, Sean Taylor, Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Carlos Rogers down the road, hell I'll even throw in Joe Salave'a. No he's no super star, but he plays great within the system, and I would say could compliment most DTs very well in the league right now. That's more than half of the defense.

In my opinion, every team has about half dozen or so players on either side of the ball that are products of good coaching and the "system", if you will. Jeremiah Trotter is a very good example of someone who is a Pro Bowler with the right team.

So while you say that we have average players, in that case who doesn't??

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

I forgot to add 56: I agree we have a some overachievers on our defense. Thanks to Gregg Williams and his staff. But I will disagree that most are average players. It could be argued that many NFL teams, forget about the NFC, many NFL teams would love to have: C.Griffin, Sean Taylor, Shawn Springs, Marcus Washington, Carlos Rogers down the road, hell I'll even throw in Joe Salave'a. No he's no super star, but he plays great within the system, and I would say could compliment most DTs very well in the league right now. That's more than half of the defense.

In my opinion, every team has about half dozen or so players on either side of the ball that are products of good coaching and the "system", if you will. Jeremiah Trotter is a very good example of someone who is a Pro Bowler with the right team.

So while you say that we have average players, in that case who doesn't??

your right, alot of teams do have average players. Sean Taylor, Marcus Washingt, Griffin, Springs, are not average. Taylor, washington, griffin, and springs all should have gone to the probowl last year. What I am saying is Greg Williams, a great coach, has a pretty big ego. And I have a feeling that with all the LaVar issues in the offseason, he is saying I can make a great D without LaVar. i would hope this isn't the case. But I have heard that Williams does have to turn sideways to get his head through the doors at Redskins Park!

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by #56fanatic

your right, alot of teams do have average players. Sean Taylor, Marcus Washingt, Griffin, Springs, are not average. Taylor, washington, griffin, and springs all should have gone to the probowl last year. What I am saying is Greg Williams, a great coach, has a pretty big ego. And I have a feeling that with all the LaVar issues in the offseason, he is saying I can make a great D without LaVar. i would hope this isn't the case. But I have heard that Williams does have to turn sideways to get his head through the doors at Redskins Park!

Honestly, I think it's little bit of money coming into play here, a little bit of LaVar getting into the schemes, and I'm willing to bet that teams have already inquired about LaVar's services.

[#56fanatic]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Honestly, I think it's little bit of money coming into play here, a little bit of LaVar getting into the schemes, and I'm willing to bet that teams have already inquired about LaVar's services.

I think Pittsburg will be one the ones willing to give up a draft pick to two. And I was reading San Diego would also be interested. But who wouldn't be. Getting a guy of his ability(if healthy) in his prime. And especially with all this crap going on, coming back with not just a chip on his shoulder, but a big ass pine tree on his shoulder. I do believe he will end up in Pittsburg. He is a homer and thats where he is from. If its not washington, then pittsburg is where he will be.