Who is Kirk Cousins?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I don't understand the "not having a strong arm" he just overthrew DJ again Sunday on a deep ball down the sideline. His arm is plenty strong.

I dont think his arm is john beck like im just catering to the masses. My point was people like to tag him as the next game managing alex smith.

[30gut]

His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock.-
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You make some good points. But I have to disagree with the portion above. I don't think his knack for interceptions has subsided nor was it his only knock and his other knocks were/are accuracy and ability to handle adversity.
But I would give the kid credit for handling adversity and being more resilient this year.
Still has a ways to go with consistent accuracy and interceptions.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

His bad interception, rush to judgement throws have certainly subsided and that was really his only knock.-

^^Punch It



You make some good points. But I have to disagree with the portion above. I don't think his knack for interceptions has subsided and his other knocks were/are accuracy and ability to handle adversity.

But I would give the kid credit for handling adversity and being more resilient this year.

Still has a ways to go with consistent accuracy and interceptions.

Well accuracy and the int's obviously go hand in hand. He certainly has looked better the last couple starts in that department. Could signal a maturation or maybe he just got lucky? Time will tell. I will say with certainty that unlike 8 weeks ago a QB is not exactly an area of need anymore. Thank God.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Well accuracy and the int's obviously go hand in hand. He certainly has looked better the last couple starts in that department. Could signal a maturation or maybe he just got lucky? Time will tell. I will say with certainty that unlike 8 weeks ago a QB is not exactly an area of need anymore. Thank God.

Sometimes maybe accuracy or lack thereof can be the cause of interceptions. For me interceptions are more about decision making. Missed throws/incompletion are the result of inaccuracy.

Time will tell, Kirk has to show a lot more for me to say QB isn't an area of need. Has Kirk shown himself to be quality NFL starter...? My answer would be like Dexter's "Not consistently." And thats the name of the game.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Sometimes maybe accuracy or lack thereof can be the cause of interceptions. For me interceptions are more about decision making. Missed throws/incompletion are the result of inaccuracy.



Time will tell, Kirk has to show a lot more for me to say QB isn't an area of need. Has Kirk shown himself to be quality NFL starter...? My answer would be like Dexter's "Not consistently." And thats the name of the game.

Fair enough. This week should be another good test. We have a code red game against a defensive backfield that i just watch two weeks ago get absolutely torched by the Gints.

[Brody81]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont think his arm is john beck like im just catering to the masses. My point was people like to tag him as the next game managing alex smith.

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

Great point. I think lost in this endless diarrhea of impatient frustrated Redskins fans that expect greatness immediately.....is......we finally have stability in the FO (Scott). We finally have a GM that is a great talent evaluater and understands something foreign to Dan Snyder, it takes time to build a good talented roster.
Scott has not been here an entire season yet, but yet we have impatience.
Got it!

[NoCalHail]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Great point. I think lost in this endless diarrhea of impatient frustrated Redskins fans that expect greatness immediately.....is......we finally have stability in the FO (Scott). We finally have a GM that is a great talent evaluater and understands something foreign to Dan Snyder, it takes time to build a good talented roster.
Scott has not been here an entire season yet, but yet we have impatience.
Got it!

Exactly. Having a GM that can be trusted is the key. Let's not forget either that Gruden and all the QB's on the roster were here before the GM was hired so there is no guarantee the GM wants any of them here beyond this season. He also knows that getting rid of any of them in 2015 would have been useless as there wasn't going to be some miraculous turn around after his first offseason as GM. Right now he is doing what a good GM does which is get the groceries, but is allowing the coach to cook the meal.

Gruden's job is likely going to be tied to the success/failure of Kirk Cousins and how successful management feels they will be going forward. A lot of GM's when they come in, their first order of business is to their "their" coach and QB. Our organization already had both in place, but I wouldn't for a second suggest that automatically means Scott is content with either or them right now.

Time will tell.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I just used your quote to make my comment. I know you don't think he has a weak arm.. This whole argument is getting retarded. Some guys will never get onboard with Kirk because he wasn't a high draft pick. They can't get excited about a 4th round pick. The good thing is Scott will be making this decision, and I trust it will be the right one. I would love to know what he thinks of Kirk. I would guess he is very pleased with his progression so far.

It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.

You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?

[Brody81]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1128125]It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.





You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?[/QUOTE



Yes I did say it and it the truth with some fans. If Kirk was a 1st round draft pick with the amount of starts he has this forum would not be even discussing the need to draft another QB. It would be he is learning the position and I expect him to be inconsistent. The fact our GM was high on Kirk coming out of college should should tell you he has talent and could turn into something special if given the chance. If you have a better option ie., free agency, draft, please enlighten us..

[Skinzman]

[quote=Brody81;1128126]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

It has nothing to do with him being a 4th round pick. No one cares about where he was drafted just like no one talks down Tom Brady because he was a 6th round pick. I guarantee you that no one would complain about having multiple SBs being led by a 6th rounder. It has to do with his games. Some great, some good, some terrible. Its that simple. You see his terrible games and call them great QB performances and that it was the rest of the team that let him down because it fits your narrative. KC is what he is... Average. Can he get better? Sure. Does that mean he will get better? No one knows.





You are just looking for excuses that KC is the greatest ever to fit your narrative. Stop claiming what we think, especially when every time that you do, its an idiotic statement. We hate KC because he is a 4th rounder? Really... You actually said that?[/QUOTE



Yes I did say it and it the truth with some fans. If Kirk was a 1st round draft pick with the amount of starts he has this forum would not be even discussing the need to draft another QB. It would be he is learning the position and I expect him to be inconsistent. The fact our GM was high on Kirk coming out of college should should tell you he has talent and could turn into something special if given the chance. If you have a better option ie., free agency, draft, please enlighten us..

I have never said we had a better option. I am just laughing at the stupidity of that statement. That we only root for 1st round picks. That is such a ridiculous statement. Also how wrong you are since people turned on RG3 by year 2. Our current GM was high on RG3 also, whats your point? Would you be using the excuse that McC liked RG3 coming out of college if he was the starter and playing bad?

Part of the problem I have with this discussion are the people that talked about how we were a SB winning team if Dan Snyder would just let the team switch from RG3 to KC. Now that we have switched to KC, those people (yes that includes you Brody) are now saying that the problem is our team has absolutely zero talent except the greatest QB ever. So which is it?

This team, talent wise, is better than at any time that RG3 was the starter (and that includes the injuries). Yet, according to you, this talent laden team just last year is now defunct of talent.

PS... No one gives a crap about what round KC was drafted in.

[punch it in]

[QUOTE=Skinzman;1128160]

Originally Posted by Brody81

I have never said we had a better option. I am just laughing at the stupidity of that statement. That we only root for 1st round picks. That is such a ridiculous statement. Also how wrong you are since people turned on RG3 by year 2. Our current GM was high on RG3 also, whats your point? Would you be using the excuse that McC liked RG3 coming out of college if he was the starter and playing bad?



Part of the problem I have with this discussion are the people that talked about how we were a SB winning team if Dan Snyder would just let the team switch from RG3 to KC. Now that we have switched to KC, those people (yes that includes you Brody) are now saying that the problem is our team has absolutely zero talent except the greatest QB ever. So which is it?



This team, talent wise, is better than at any time that RG3 was the starter (and that includes the injuries). Yet, according to you, this talent laden team just last year is now defunct of talent.



PS... No one gives a crap about what round KC was drafted in.

I dont ever remember someone saying
1) KC is the greatest qb ever
2) if we switched to KC we would win a superbowl
3) The team has zero talent besides KC

I have heard....

1)KC is getting better and that he is the best qb on our team.
2)Switching from RG-3 to KC would be an improvement
3)This team has alot of holes that need to be addressed before QB.

Did people really say such things? If so they were obviously high, drunk, or any combination of the two.

[BaltimoreSkins]

[QUOTE=punch it in;1128164][QUOTE=Skinzman;1128160]


I dont ever remember someone saying
1) KC is the greatest qb ever
2) if we switched to KC we would win a superbowl
3) The team has zero talent besides KC

I have heard....

1)KC is getting better and that he is the best qb on our team.
2)Switching from RG-3 to KC would be an improvement
3)This team has alot of holes that need to be addressed before QB.

Did people really say such things? If so they were obviously high, drunk, or any combination of the two.[/QUOTE]

Reminds me of the time I called my ex-wife and told her she had a butt that wouldn't quit.