Cap Implications of Josh Norman

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by MTK

I'd disagree with saying we're a bad team.

Yeah, it's probably a harsh assessment so I take back that "bad" portion of the statement. I'd say a mediocre team right now, but definitely on the upswing. My point was why are we so close to the cap when others around our range are 20-35mil deep in cap space. I guess we overpaid for too many shitties on our team. (hatcher, lavaou, roberts, culliver, etc..)

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You know what bothers me most about our cap situation? How come our team was so devoid of talent, yet we are so close to being capped? Where we really any better than the Jags or Raiders 2 years ago in terms of talent? Why can't we have 30+ mil in salary cap like some of those other bad teams. Let's be frank, we are a bad team. Just one playing in a bad conference. Granted that's changing but we're still a work in progress.

Completely wrong to call the Redskins a bad team. If we were bad we'd be picking in the top 10. If we were mediocre we'd be picking 11-21. And if we were good we'd be picking 22-32.

As Bill Parcells famously put it, you are what your record says you are.

We have holes, but we also have strengths. When teams line up against us we negate a lot of pass rushers with the strength of our tackles. We have a deep threat in Jackson that can win often. And Reed took a step forward towards being downright uncoverable last year.

I would use the term 'decent'. The Redskins are decent. Whether we go up or down from here depends mostly on the right arm of Kirk Cousins.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Yeah, it's probably a harsh assessment so I take back that "bad" portion of the statement. I'd say a mediocre team right now, but definitely on the upswing. My point was why are we so close to the cap when others around our range are 20-35mil deep in cap space. I guess we overpaid for too many shitties on our team. (hatcher, lavaou, roberts, culliver, etc..)

Who has 20-35M in cap space? Have you actually researched the numbers or are you just throwing that out there based on bad memory?

According to OvertheCap, here are the teams currently with more than $20M in space:

Jaguars $53,746,852 bad
49ers $51,727,851 bad
Browns $40,966,334 bad
Panthers $31,028,214 very good
Titans $29,422,028 bad
Bears $22,012,772 bad
Giants $20,977,063 bad

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Who has 20-35M in cap space? Have you actually researched the numbers or are you just throwing that out there based on bad memory?

According to OvertheCap, here are the teams currently with more than $20M in space:

Jaguars $53,746,852 bad
49ers $51,727,851 bad
Browns $40,966,334 bad
Panthers $31,028,214 very good
Titans $29,422,028 bad
Bears $22,012,772 bad
Giants $20,977,063 bad

Whatchu talkin bout, Willis?

My memory wasn't too bad because you actually validated what I said about some teams having that kind of salary cap. That said, Why on earth do you think the Giants or Bears are bad teams? Realistically, the Giants probably should have won the division last season, but let 3-4 games get away from them in the last few minutes.

I retracted the "bad" statement and put us at mediocre. Let's be honest, in a better division, we wouldn't have been division champs. Our whole division sucked ass last year and we didn't beat a single team over .500. That's saying a lot. Remember, we are a year removed from being the #4 pick in the draft. We didn't accumulate that much talent in a years time to suddenly vault us into contender status. Are we Browns level bad? Absolutely not. Are we going to be favored to win our division this year? Absolutely not.

My only thought was there isn't that much separating us from some of those teams with a lot of cap room. Why is it we spend on guys that don't produce. I think the fact that carrying over cap can benefit us much better than overpaying for a scrub that isn't going to merit his contract. (Luvao, Hatcher, Roberts, Culliver, etc) Even when we were bad, we still were at the brink of being capped regularly.

[That Guy]

well, we had that 36m penalty, and that forced some money into future years to work around it. if we had it, we probably would have spent it though.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by That Guy

well, we had that 36m penalty, and that forced some money into future years to work around it. if we had it, we probably would have spent it though.

Yes, BUT. . .

The cap penalty hurt our depth the most. We still had big money "stars" on the team but we weren't able to get and keep that intermediate level depth across all positions to account for the inevitable injuries that occur during the season.

In addition to hurting depth, the cap penalty directly hurt the quality of our special teams because those are the players that fill out that unit.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

My memory wasn't too bad because you actually validated what I said about some teams having that kind of salary cap. That said, Why on earth do you think the Giants or Bears are bad teams? Realistically, the Giants probably should have won the division last season, but let 3-4 games get away from them in the last few minutes.

I retracted the "bad" statement and put us at mediocre. Let's be honest, in a better division, we wouldn't have been division champs. Our whole division sucked ass last year and we didn't beat a single team over .500. That's saying a lot. Remember, we are a year removed from being the #4 pick in the draft. We didn't accumulate that much talent in a years time to suddenly vault us into contender status. Are we Browns level bad? Absolutely not. Are we going to be favored to win our division this year? Absolutely not.

My only thought was there isn't that much separating us from some of those teams with a lot of cap room. Why is it we spend on guys that don't produce. I think the fact that carrying over cap can benefit us much better than overpaying for a scrub that isn't going to merit his contract. (Luvao, Hatcher, Roberts, Culliver, etc) Even when we were bad, we still were at the brink of being capped regularly.

What are the big money positions (numbers from overthecap.com)


QB - 22M top 10 money
LT - 10M OL is top 10 money which is a bit scary with two rookies on the line
WR 27M 2nd only to the bears
CB - 27M 2nd only to the jets

Defensively we are 16th in cap spending
Offensively we are 2nd only to the Steelers

I would say that WR is one place we currently over spend for the production we get, BUT that may change if QB and OL stabilize.

I think most Skins fans like that the owner is willing to spend when the situation calls for it. To me, what that means is that we will never see a super large cap balance, but instead always just enough to cover our needs each year.

[That Guy]

i mean, would you rather switch rosters with the 49ers this season and have their 50m in cap space? i wouldn't.

[Chico23231]

San Fran ain't going nowhere with that roster in that division. Fisher and chip fighting again for the bottom of the west. I guarantee it.

[DYoungJelly]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

What are the big money positions (numbers from overthecap.com)

QB - 22M top 10 money
LT - 10M OL is top 10 money which is a bit scary with two rookies on the line
WR 27M 2nd only to the bears
CB - 27M 2nd only to the jets

If you add outside pass rusher (hopefully in 2017 with Pootie Tang at OLB), those are the premium positions to pay for.

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