Around the NFL Week 3

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Originally Posted by OmahaRedskins

I am not denying his greatness, but I would not trade the Redskins Jay Gruden for the Cleveland Browns Bill Belichick. During his tenure in Cleveland he compiled a 36–44 record. Two years later he is the head coach of New England and they draft Tom Brady. Together they have 15 consecutive winning seasons.



I just can't say he is the GOAT. I can not tell you he is better than Bill Walsh, Chuck Noll, Tom Landry, Vince Lombardi, Joe Gibbs, Don Shula, Bill Parcells, etc... You need three things to win in the NFL. Talent, Coaching, and Quality ownership.



Based on the coaches above, only Gibbs and Parcells won a Superbowl without a HOF QB. Chuck Noll and Tom Landry had teams that were loaded with HOF talent. Who drafted the talent? I can't tell you, because it was before my time. I find it difficult to compare today's game to the games I watch growing up.



Just my Monday evening ramblings.

Lets not put it all on a qb though. See the 85 Bears, or the Ray Lewis led Ravens. Skins had Monk, Green, Riggo, the Hogs, etc.
They are all great coaches. And again maybe BB has made Brady who he is. Do you think if Brady was drafted by the Skins he would be a first ballot hof'er? Maybe but maybe not.
Oh n I would trade Gruden for Belichicks dog. Lol

Edit: and thank you im enjoying this debate much more than the clown circus that is embarrassing my country on tv rite now!