(Merged Threads) LaVar Arrington and Gregg Williams

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's what I'm thinking too, perhaps he's finally getting it that he needs to shut the hell up.

Would you be able to shut the HELL UP??? I dont think he should at all....this williams is a little dictator..I don't give a damn what he says having LaVar on the bench while scrubs that other teams didnt want start in front of him as he sits on the bench is crazy beyond belief!!!!!!!!!!

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

Greg Williams has a very good defensive scheme but he needs to get off his high-horse about this Levar Arrington issue. He needs to give Levar an opportunity to win back his starting position. Sitting on the bench is not going to get it. He puts Clemons in on 3rd down situations and I'm not seeing any preesure from him. Why not Levar? The worst he could do is not put pressure on the quarterback, just like Clemons. I think its personal. If he puts Levar in and he makes a big play, the excuses for not playing him cease. Thats Williams biggest fear. Put Levar into the game! The fan reaction will let you know where the fans stand. It will be one of the biggest roars! FREE LEVAR!

DEAD ON!!!!!! he has put his silly little pride ahead of winning....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Kope

This is what I was wondering: Given Williams proven worth, LaVar's proven playmaking ability and LaVar's (not proven 'cause we don't know what his assignment is for a given play ... but there is enough circumstantial eveidence) freelancing - the only thing that I see that parallels LAs reduction of playing time is our corners being hurt.

That would lead me to deduce that Williams is unwilling to take any additional risk with out having Springs and Harris healthy. The other side of this assessment is that after Rodgers we are weak enough at CB that Williams dosent feel he has the flexibilty to gamble.

I have thought our recent weakness to the big play has been due to having Springs and/or Harris out for the past three weeks. It will be very interesting to see if when they are both healthy how we fair vs the big play. If I had to guess, LA's playing time will follow our CB's health until he get more discipline.

BTW- LA showed an attitide far different even from the begining of the year on the John Thompsen show. Props to LA for maturing.

Great point that holds a lot of merit.

Bravo for a level headed post.

[12thMan]

What has been somewhat lost in the LaVar debate is the fact that we still have a top rated defense. Take away...ohh....two or three of those big plays and we could be number two easily.

Additionally, last year Pitt and Buffalo were statistically ahead of us, so far this year our defense is better.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Kope

This is what I was wondering: Given Williams proven worth, LaVar's proven playmaking ability and LaVar's (not proven 'cause we don't know what his assignment is for a given play ... but there is enough circumstantial eveidence) freelancing - the only thing that I see that parallels LAs reduction of playing time is our corners being hurt.

That would lead me to deduce that Williams is unwilling to take any additional risk with out having Springs and Harris healthy. The other side of this assessment is that after Rodgers we are weak enough at CB that Williams dosent feel he has the flexibilty to gamble.

I have thought our recent weakness to the big play has been due to having Springs and/or Harris out for the past three weeks. It will be very interesting to see if when they are both healthy how we fair vs the big play. If I had to guess, LA's playing time will follow our CB's health until he get more discipline.

BTW- LA showed an attitide far different even from the begining of the year on the John Thompsen show. Props to LA for maturing.

Makes perfect sense to me. Having Springs back will give us a big lift..not to mention Clark as well. Once our secondary is healthy again, then I can definitely understand taking some chances at LB.

Funny, but for all the newly acquired Gregg Williams haters, take away those three big plays and look how solid this defense has been WITHOUT Lavar Arrington.

[railcon56]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Makes perfect sense to me. Having Springs back will give us a big lift..not to mention Clark as well. Once our secondary is healthy again, then I can definitely understand taking some chances at LB.

Funny, but for all the newly acquired Gregg Williams haters, take away those three big plays and look how solid this defense has been WITHOUT Lavar Arrington.

Good defense but 2 losses in a row as the offense is playing better..they never gave up big plays last year... Solid yeah but teams are making bigger plays each week... they have no qb pressure whatso ever.... isn't that how he made his name???? Qb's have all day back there... we haven't seen any great qb's wait till u see the Mc Nabb's and Mannings and such you give those boys all day back there they will eat ur A_s Alive... your secondary just cant cover that long...but i will give those incredible Lb's a positive they are in their proper spots... and they are there on on the ground as they run by their butts too!!! I wanna see some folks run over Lavar.... yeah right!!!!!

[firstdown]

What I can't figure out is how so many people know what is going on in the Lavar situation. No one knows whats going on so to say Williams is putting the team second and does not care if we lose is crazy. If you think that is true than your saying Gibbs is doing the same thing sence hes the head coach and I would find that very hard to believe. Its the same argument made in the Brunell/Ramsey situation that the only reason Brunell is playing is because he was Gibbs hand picked QB and they gave him such a huge contract. We now know why he made that decision and it has turned out to be the correct one. So lets not jump to conclusions.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by railcon56@comcast.net

Good defense but 2 losses in a row as the offense is playing better..they never gave up big plays last year... Solid yeah but teams are making bigger plays each week... they have no qb pressure whatso ever.... isn't that how he made his name???? Qb's have all day back there... we haven't seen any great qb's wait till u see the Mc Nabb's and Mannings and such you give those boys all day back there they will eat ur A_s Alive... your secondary just cant cover that long...but i will give those incredible Lb's a positive they are in their proper spots... and they are there on on the ground as they run by their butts too!!! I wanna see some folks run over Lavar.... yeah right!!!!!

I agree but you have to remember with those two losses the O gave up 4 Turn overs 2 in our red zone. Teams did make some big plays on us last year (remember that Dallas Game).

[memphisskin]

Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...k/051020&num=0

[MTK]

Originally Posted by memphisskin

Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...k/051020&num=0

I don't know, this sounds too rational for me to buy.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its the same argument made in the Brunell/Ramsey situation that the only reason Brunell is playing is because he was Gibbs hand picked QB and they gave him such a huge contract. We now know why he made that decision and it has turned out to be the correct one.

The only problem is, Brunell has proven that he is the right choice for the quarterback position. Holdman has yet to prove(and probably, never will prove) that he is better at weak side linebacker than LaVar.

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I don't know, this sounds too rational for me to buy.

It's only "rational" because it agrees with what the coaches have said. Not because it is the only possible explanation. Some of Whitlocks peers have claimed that Daniel Snyder is the reason LaVar is benched. To some people, this reason could be just as rational, given his past.

[Hog1]

[QUOTE=memphisskin]Just saw this on the Lavar situation from Jason Whitlock on ESPN.com.



5. Redskins owner Daniel Snyder deserves credit for allowing Joe Gibbs to bench LaVar Arrington.

You hear all the horror stories about Snyder being a meddlesome owner who has ruined the Redskins. You never hear the good stuff.

How many NFL owners would let a guy they gave an eight-year, $80 million contract rot on the bench? Even if the guy was a stiff, most owners would demand that a player in Arrington's situation play simply because of the dollars involved.

Arrington, despite a 2004 knee injury, isn't a stiff. He can still do the things that made him a three-time Pro Bowler. Arrington just isn't "assignment sound" enough for Joe Gibbs and defensive coordinator Gregg Williams.

Gibbs and Williams adopted the defensive approach that has been the mainstay of Bill Belichick's New England defenses. Belichick will sacrifice athleticism at linebacker for players who will always fill the right gap.

Here's the link to the entire article. http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2...k/051020&num=0

/QUOTE]

AMAZING!!!!!

Let me get this straight. It's.................well-founded logic, and tenacity adopted by a three time super bowl winning coach, and his super bowl winning staff...............stylized philosophy like that of another three time super bowl winning coach??????

So............it's not some.............ridiculous, ego driven non-sense, conspiracy, by a crazed maniacal, Napolean to deprive a football player of his playing RIGHTS??????????

Hmmmmmmm..........Naw, I can't believe that!!!!! Sonavabitch Greg Williams

[firstdown]

[QUOTE=Southpaw]The only problem is, Brunell has proven that he is the right choice for the quarterback position. Holdman has yet to prove(and probably, never will prove) that he is better at weak side linebacker than LaVar


How do you know what is going on in practice? As far as raw talent your right Holdman will probably never prove or be better than Lavar but he may fit Williams system better than Lavar. Take Trotter for example he was just an average player for the Skins but look what he did when he went back to Phili.Sometimes I think that a player with less raw tallent can be coached better into some systems than a player with alot of talent who may have a tendence to react by instincts rather than by what they have been taught. Who knows I think we will just have to wait and see how things go.

[ArringtonRules]

This is craziest thing I have ever heard!! How is Lavar being selfish? Has he demeanded a trade? No How?? I don't know why Greg Williams does'nt want the beast the all opposing QBs dread in there. Maybe he does'nt want to break somewthing that is running smoothly.. could be..
Lavar has done everything asked of him and more. He has been very classy throughout this process. He wants to be there on the field helping this team to win games.. if that is selfish then all of us r guilty then.
Our defense has been good but not as spectacular as we were last week. For 2 weeks in a row we have been burnt on big plays!! I have heard a lot of things about how LA is not disciplined enough, how he freelances n all.. Bottom line he makes plays and forces opposing offenses to take him into account. Opposing offenses have had to gameplan for him, now they don't.
So please don't tell me he is selfish. Lavar is anything but that.

Originally Posted by Bozzy

He could improve our special teams but he's being selfish. He's not a team player. I wish we could trade him.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by ArringtonRules

This is craziest thing I have ever heard!! How is Lavar being selfish? Has he demeanded a trade? No How?? I don't know why Greg Williams does'nt want the beast the all opposing QBs dread in there. Maybe he does'nt want to break somewthing that is running smoothly.. could be..
Lavar has done everything asked of him and more. He has been very classy throughout this process. He wants to be there on the field helping this team to win games.. if that is selfish then all of us r guilty then.
Our defense has been good but not as spectacular as we were last week. For 2 weeks in a row we have been burnt on big plays!! I have heard a lot of things about how LA is not disciplined enough, how he freelances n all.. Bottom line he makes plays and forces opposing offenses to take him into account. Opposing offenses have had to gameplan for him, now they don't.
So please don't tell me he is selfish. Lavar is anything but that.

Crying in the media about not playing is not what I would call classy.

Blasting the team back in the offseason for not handling his injury situation to his liking is not what I would call classy.

Accusing the team of cheating him out of $6.5M, a contract his own agents signed, is not what I would call classy.

LaVar is many things, classy isn't something that readily comes to mind. I'm not saying he's totally to blame, but he's certainly not an innocent victim and he's always quick to point the finger at anyone other than himself.