Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag

metalskins · 03-15-2017, 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Kirk is losing some fan base with his stubborn ways of not committing to this team. When asked by Adam S. "Do you want to be a redskin long term? " he said "I don't know the answer to that, I have to keep an open mind because things change in this league fast"... Dude just answer yes or no! He's like that one GF that just can't decide on what she wants to do with her life.. I like Kirk but man this gets old.

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If he answered that he would lose all of his leverage in contract negotiations, so Kirk answered exactly the way he should have.

KI Skins Fan · 03-15-2017, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

This board's intolerance for ambiguity is revealing. Too emotional, too reactionary.

Not me! I feel strongly both ways.

Schneed10 · 03-15-2017, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Giantone

Who were the three teams??? We all know San Fran but who were the other two?

Nobody has said.

Ruhskins · 03-15-2017, 03:53 PM

For people that are freaking out about these types of negotiations, take a look a the negotiation history between Von Miller and the Broncos last year. It went right down to the wire, but the deal got done. There was a bit of drama (there was the whole "Von Miller cropping Elway out of one of his pics on Instagram" episode), some details about the negotiation leaked to the media, and there was a lot of back and forth.

Sure it'd be great if the deal got done right away, but like most of these types of negotiations, I think it will go right up until July.

MTK · 03-15-2017, 04:12 PM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Kirk is losing some fan base with his stubborn ways of not committing to this team. When asked by Adam S. "Do you want to be a redskin long term? " he said "I don't know the answer to that, I have to keep an open mind because things change in this league fast"... Dude just answer yes or no! He's like that one GF that just can't decide on what she wants to do with her life.. I like Kirk but man this gets old.

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He's just being honest. Shouldn't we be more frustrated with the team not committing to him?

CRedskinsRule · 03-15-2017, 04:13 PM

I am glad that KC straightened out his position. I think he plays this year on the FT unless the Skins do a record setting deal, and maybe they will. His most telling part to me was his desire to see what he is worth as a free agent. I think had the Skins let him negotiate with teams under the non-exclusive tag he would have felt that he was getting market value, but by making it exclusive he knows it sets him up for a 1 year 33 million price next year, at that point he will have played for 77million over three years. Any long term deal has to match that structure (25m apy). I got the feeling he is more than willing to play by the FT rules until the Skins let him see his market value or pay him over what he thinks the market would pay him since he can't.prove it because the Skins didn't let him. For percentages
Before draft
55% trade
20% LTD
25% FT

After draft
60% FT
30% LTD
10% Trade

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Daseal · 03-15-2017, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

He's just being honest. Shouldn't we be more frustrated with the team not committing to him?

I really don't understand why the Skins haven't put a decent offer out there for him. Put the ball in his court, make KC explain why he's not signing a fair deal. Give him a good guarantee 22-24M with escalators that allow him to be the highest paid QB in the league, if he earns it.

metalskins · 03-15-2017, 04:18 PM

Are people really freaking out over this? I haven't really noticed any behavior on here that would lead me to believe people are freaking out per se. I think the largely shared sentiment is that people are just tired of hearing about it. Trade the man. Get it over with. Sign the man. Get it over with. Either way, we're just done. I know all about the deals are done in the 11th hour (so to speak) and that's just the way it works. That's great. But as Redskins fans, we want to look forward to the next season and feel good about our team and support Kirk Cousins, or we want the band-aid pulled off so we have time to mentally prepare ourselves for what could be a not so great season with a backup quarterback. I think that's pretty reasonable and logical to consider.

That being said, I have all the confidence in the world that Cousins signs a long term deal with the Redskins. All the business stuff aside, he's still a competitor and I'm sure he wants to be somewhere where he has the best chance at the post season and a Super Bowl. Between the 49ers and Browns right now, the Redskins clearly are much further ahead.

CRedskinsRule · 03-15-2017, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

He's just being honest. Shouldn't we be more frustrated with the team not committing to him?

Point Blank yes.

KC is going down the path the team said they wanted to go in relation to the FT. He hasn't done a Josh Norman and refused to sign. As Bruce Allen said, it really is simple, and if they wanted it done, they would put an offer on the table that is comparable to the guarantees they are giving him by using the FT.

At the same token 44M for up to 36 games, is a hell of a lot of money, and it does boggle the mind that he would not sign for even more guaranteed if it were in front of him.

skinsfaninok · 03-15-2017, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

He's just being honest. Shouldn't we be more frustrated with the team not committing to him?

Yes I am at both sides.

mooby · 03-15-2017, 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

I really don't understand why the Skins haven't put a decent offer out there for him. Put the ball in his court, make KC explain why he's not signing a fair deal. Give him a good guarantee 22-24M with escalators that allow him to be the highest paid QB in the league, if he earns it.

That always seems to be the standard MO around the league, not sure why the Skins can't follow either. It just tells me they don't think he's elite or worth big money.

Chico23231 · 03-15-2017, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by MTK

He's just being honest. Shouldn't we be more frustrated with the team not committing to him?

This..call me a lil worried with how the fo has handled things lately.

sdskinsfan2001 · 03-15-2017, 09:14 PM

My question is, if they offer him 5 years at 23.94 per with half guaranteed, would he sign immediately? It's hard to voice what side you're most frustrated with because we don't know the details of any offers or counter offers. Just hold your nose because this can easily go to July.

jamf · 03-15-2017, 11:08 PM

No, his agent is probably asking for 90-100m guaranteed.
They need to give him an all guaranteed contract and be done with it. Screw it up for all other teams trying to sign a qb.

FrenchSkin · 03-16-2017, 09:23 AM

While I'm very confident a long term deal will get done this offseason (like VERY confident : KC's last comment, Pryor's signing, Gruden's extention, exclusive tag... The rest is either rumor or strategical leak), I don't see it happening before July 14th.

A lot of money involved, both side will want to use all the Time they can to negotiate.

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03-15-2017, 03:53 PM	#154
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,379	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag For people that are freaking out about these types of negotiations, take a look a the negotiation history between Von Miller and the Broncos last year. It went right down to the wire, but the deal got done. There was a bit of drama (there was the whole "Von Miller cropping Elway out of one of his pics on Instagram" episode), some details about the negotiation leaked to the media, and there was a lot of back and forth. Sure it'd be great if the deal got done right away, but like most of these types of negotiations, I think it will go right up until July. __________________ R.I.P. #21

03-15-2017, 04:13 PM	#156
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,744	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag I am glad that KC straightened out his position. I think he plays this year on the FT unless the Skins do a record setting deal, and maybe they will. His most telling part to me was his desire to see what he is worth as a free agent. I think had the Skins let him negotiate with teams under the non-exclusive tag he would have felt that he was getting market value, but by making it exclusive he knows it sets him up for a 1 year 33 million price next year, at that point he will have played for 77million over three years. Any long term deal has to match that structure (25m apy). I got the feeling he is more than willing to play by the FT rules until the Skins let him see his market value or pay him over what he thinks the market would pay him since he can't.prove it because the Skins didn't let him. For percentages Before draft 55% trade 20% LTD 25% FT After draft 60% FT 30% LTD 10% Trade Sent from my SM-G935T using Tapatalk

03-15-2017, 04:18 PM	#158
metalskins The Starter Join Date: Jan 2016 Posts: 1,464	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag Are people really freaking out over this? I haven't really noticed any behavior on here that would lead me to believe people are freaking out per se. I think the largely shared sentiment is that people are just tired of hearing about it. Trade the man. Get it over with. Sign the man. Get it over with. Either way, we're just done. I know all about the deals are done in the 11th hour (so to speak) and that's just the way it works. That's great. But as Redskins fans, we want to look forward to the next season and feel good about our team and support Kirk Cousins, or we want the band-aid pulled off so we have time to mentally prepare ourselves for what could be a not so great season with a backup quarterback. I think that's pretty reasonable and logical to consider. That being said, I have all the confidence in the world that Cousins signs a long term deal with the Redskins. All the business stuff aside, he's still a competitor and I'm sure he wants to be somewhere where he has the best chance at the post season and a Super Bowl. Between the 49ers and Browns right now, the Redskins clearly are much further ahead. __________________ Reserved for a witty signature.

03-15-2017, 09:14 PM	#163
sdskinsfan2001 Living Legend Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hanahan, South Carolina Age: 43 Posts: 20,874	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag My question is, if they offer him 5 years at 23.94 per with half guaranteed, would he sign immediately? It's hard to voice what side you're most frustrated with because we don't know the details of any offers or counter offers. Just hold your nose because this can easily go to July. __________________ "You can be my wingman anytime." "Bulls**t. You can be mine."

03-15-2017, 11:08 PM	#164
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,427	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag No, his agent is probably asking for 90-100m guaranteed. They need to give him an all guaranteed contract and be done with it. Screw it up for all other teams trying to sign a qb.

03-16-2017, 09:23 AM	#165
FrenchSkin Playmaker Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Yokohama, Japan Posts: 4,525	Re: Cousins 3.0, he's going to sign the franchise tag While I'm very confident a long term deal will get done this offseason (like VERY confident : KC's last comment, Pryor's signing, Gruden's extention, exclusive tag... The rest is either rumor or strategical leak), I don't see it happening before July 14th. A lot of money involved, both side will want to use all the Time they can to negotiate. Envoyé de mon TOMMY en utilisant Tapatalk __________________ Derz Ambassaderz in the Land of the Rising Sun. Oui Monsieur.

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