Government shutdown 2018

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Originally Posted by Giantone

https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...nt-work-214167

What History Tells Us About Building a Wall to Solve a Problem


https://www.indy100.com/article/a-ma...grants-7320271
Nations have built walls on borders for thousands of years - CNN





Now how do you build a Wall around Florida, Me, Alaska or Hawaii? The West Coast ,the East coast?????

I will give you a C for effort.
-In your first article it listed 3 main wall attempts with no increased immigration as a result
-In your second article it listed 5 main wall attempts with no increased immigration, and several successful walls
-In your third article it pointed out that 6 European countries currently are using walls as part of their border security with no ill effect

below I have broken out all 3 articles :
Article 1:
1)Israel/Palestine. The article offers no proof one way or the other, but argues that it creates a political backlash, and increases the anger and propensity toward violence in a space smaller than NJ. Clearly that outcome would not translate across the US Mexico border, as we aren't foreshadowing a military clash with Mexico.
2) The Berlin wall. Again, the wall itself worked, the state behind the wall failed. We aren't trying to keep our citizens from escaping, although alot of Dems were supposed to have left by now.
3) US Mexico: They state we have built 651 miles of wall, and that undocumented migration into the U.S. is at its lowest level since the 1970s; but state that you can't prove it's the wall so there.

Article 2:

• The great wall (which worked for 14 centuries - I'm ok if the border wall only lasts 10)
• the berlin wall - no one would argue it did not stop illegal crossings (razor wire, mine fields and snipers help to)
• The belfast peace wall - the article sums it up this way "In 2013, Northern Irish lawmakers proposed tearing down the peace walls by 2023, but many residents believe violence would reignite if the walls were removed."
• West bank wall - the article makes no claim either way about its effectiveness but adds "Israel has another fence along its western border with Egypt, which was built to stem the "unfettered flow of illegal infiltrators, the smuggling of drugs and weapons" into Israel, ...The wall was a success: 43 African migrants entered Israel in 2013, compared to 17,000 in 2011."
• Hungary - The article doesn't state the before and after, but Wikipedia lists it as follows- During the month of September 2015 there was a total number of 138,396 migrant entries, and by the first two weeks of November the average daily number of intercepted migrants decreased to only 15, which is a daily reduction of more than 4,500

Article 3 simply outlines the current European countries using walls as part of their border security.

So you get a C because you finally responded, but you truly proved my point that in all the world, where walls have been used to limit migration, successful outcomes were far more common and the worst outcomes were ambiguous results. In no case in those three articles did a wall clearly worsen the immigration pattern.


And to answer to your question, no one is suggesting building walls around the east coast , west coast, Hawaii, Alaska, FL, or the northern states. Those places are better served by increased Coast Guard and Border Patrol presence as well as good port of entry security.