Trent Williams holding out for new deal

[5superbowls3wins]

Don’t worry everyone. Bruce Allen and his band of bozos have everything under control.


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[Buffalo Bob]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

I don't care what the rumors are, I think the ceiling for Trent is a 2nd, especially from the Patriots. Like the above says he isn't mid 20's and doesn't play 16 games a year. He probably doesn't have a lot of tread left on his tires, he isn't playing another 5-6 years.

[MTK]

JP Finlay is confirming he heard the same thing about the Pats offering a first.

[skinsfaninok]

Give us a 2nd and Gilmore and we're good

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[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If TW was in his mid 20's then I'd agree w/ you. But he's 30 +, plays 12 games a year and probably wants more money. You're not going to get multiple picks for him. The Pats aren't stupid. They're not dropping their pants like Bruce does on trades.

Not saying the Pats are going to tremendously increase their offer, just saying this is now the baseline for any negotiations, and as many have previously said, a LT needy team will more likely than not be created via injury and/or urge to make a playoff run. Come that time, if not before, we can expect offers to surpass a late 1st rounder.

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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I doubt anyone will offer more if that is in fact true.

Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Just wanted to add that i'm sick and tired of the spin Florio puts on literally everything associated with this team.

He's been writing for months that the team is delusional for not actively shopping Trent, when he clearly knows that their doing so would reduce their leverage. He's directly stated that they mismanaged Trents injury, when all we had were unsubstantiated rumors. And of course he's never mentioned that team staff told Trent to get a second opinion and perhaps Trent should have some personal responsibility for failing to do so. And he still refuses to use the team name, even though repeated polls have shown actual native Americans are either ambivalent or proud of the name.

This team has done plenty of things worthy of criticism over the years, but he seems to have some specific agenda. Can't stand him.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Agreed. And Contenders are who offer up first round picks for an older player who can put them over the top. So we are not going to get a high first for TW because the bottom dwellers know TW aint going to put them over the top. It also helps to know who your LT is before the season is half over. I think there is a little more urgency to figure this all out sooner than later than most but....
Bruce and Dan are quite capable of making a bad situation worse. Chances they are playing this one smart are slim. Since when do they play anything smart?

That's the thing, Bruce Allen is a total dumb ass stupid fool when it comes to working trades. His history proves that. If someone offers you have 1st you have to take it. Period.

There's only a small handful of teams that are going to want TW in the first place. Holding out for more compensation or waiting for an injury to occur to me isn't the way to go. Most of the good teams or contending teams will either go w/ their backup ( see Eagles) or wait until next year and get someone in the draft who's young and on a rookie deal.

[sandtrapjack]

If a trade is being considered, why they do not have the Texans on speed dial is crazy.

[skinsfaninok]

I don't follow PFT anymore, they are trash

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That's the thing, Bruce Allen is a total dumb ass stupid fool when it comes to working trades. His history proves that. If someone offers you have 1st you have to take it. Period.

In my opinion, Allen would be stupid if he did what you suggested and took the Patriots 1st rounder (likely to be pick 29-32) when he still had time to see if he can get a better offer. Allen's done a lot of dumb stuff during his tenure here, but the he is handling this is situation perfectly to maximize our leverage.

There's only a small handful of teams that are going to want TW in the first place. Holding out for more compensation or waiting for an injury to occur to me isn't the way to go. Most of the good teams or contending teams will either go w/ their backup ( see Eagles) or wait until next year and get someone in the draft who's young and on a rookie deal.

While, I think only a handful of teams would give up a 1st for Trent, I'd imagine half the league would be interested in Trent. He really is one of the best LTs in the league and its one of the most important positions in football. The price will only go UP if one of those teams has a good start to the season and loses a starting tackle. And its almost certain that one of them will. It happens every year. The longer we wait, the more money Trent loses and more likely he starts changing his tune about holding out.

I understand that we all want this situation to be over with, but this situation is not as urgent as people are wanting to make it out to be. Unless someone makes the team an incredible offer,

[MTK]

The Patriots 1st is basically a 2nd rounder considering it will be 30-32. Sorry but Trent is worth more and the Skins are right in holding out for more.

And yeah, F Florio. Dude has always been a pencil neck d-bag.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

If a trade is being considered, why they do not have the Texans on speed dial is crazy.

It's the other way around, if the Texans want a stud LT they should be calling the Skins.

[calia]

I agree with Matty.

BTW, I wouldn't cave for just a 1st rounder for TW from the Patriots. That has proved to be the 32nd pick in many a recent draft, and I wouldn't swap TW for any of these pick 32 guys:

2019: K'Neal Harry
2018: Lamar Jackson
2017: Ryan Ramczyk
2016: Emmanuel Ogbah
2015: Malcom Brown
2014: Teddy Bridgewater
2013: Matt Elam
2012: David Wilson
2011: Derrick Sherrod
2010: Patrick Robinson

I realize that the Patriots may well not be at 32, but the end of the 1st round hasn't proved to be all that great.

[SFREDSKIN]

I say trade him to the Texans forTytus Howard 23rd overall 1st round pick LT plus a draft pick, Redskins throw in Williams and Doctson.