Alstott get in???

[BDBohnzie]

Benefit of the doubt, considering that GW may have told LaVar to leap. However, IMO, visually, there is a hole that Alstott ran towards, where LaVar was standing. The pile moved towards Alstott, and he ends up in it.

Certainly one of those "what if" things. But what's done is done...and as I stated previously, that one play did not make or break the Skins.

[funandgunner]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

First of all, I'm pretty sure GW put LaVar in on that play specifically to leap because of the two previous goal line plays where Alstott leaped. Secondly, what hole was he supposed to plug? Alstott hit the pile. If there was a hole, he would have just walked right in. If LaVar had just hit the pile, he wouldn't even have gotten a piece of Alstott.

I agree. I think Arrington had a great game yesterday - he wasn't perfect, but if everyone played like him yesterday - we would have won that game.

[gortiz]

Listen, sure that play pretty much cost us the game, but the skins put themselves in the position to not control their own destiny ... and here are few reasons why ...

• the Defense giving up long plays - AGAIN
• a big penalty killing that bomb to Santana,
• Brunell's fumbles
• interceptions
• Simms getting all day to throw
• bad playcalling on Defense, i.e. untimely blitzes
• Portis and the running game not picking up two measly yards to ice the game in the 4th.
• offsides on an extra point
• not getting the job done with 58 seconds left and two timeouts
• bad punting
• not getting one sack
• Springs not covering Galloway the entire game

[CrazyCanuck]

I didn't think he was in after the replay but it was close. Had they originally said he didn't get in I don't think they would have overturned it either. The evidence wasn't conclusive enough. The bottom line is you're not gonna get that call on the road nor should you expect to.

[Big C]

i want to :vomit: everytime i think of this game, and everytime i see the name alstott

[bedlamVR]

It shouldn't come down to one play but it did and the kicker is that one play was ruled wrong, even if we marched up the field and made the game winning field goal it wouldn't make the refs call any righter

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by bedlamVR

It shouldn't come down to one play but it did and the kicker is that one play was ruled wrong, even if we marched up the field and made the game winning field goal it wouldn't make the refs call any righter

There are many things done wrong in this one! By coaching staff and players! The refs throw in as well. You just can't play that way or have bad calls! These are the best????? Right????? At the middle of the season it shouldn't be this way!!!

[Luxorreb]

Gibbs to Send Game Tape to NFL
By Gary Fitzgerald
Redskins.com
November 14, 2005



Head coach Joe Gibbs said on Monday that he would send film into the NFL of the disputed two-point conversion play that was pivotal in Tampa Bay's 36-35 victory over the Redskins on Sunday at Raymond James Stadium.
After reviewing the film on Monday, Gibbs said that the footage showed fullback Mike Alstott's elbow was on the ground before he crossed the goal line. Referees and replay officials ruled otherwise.

"We have a very clear film shot of the ballcarrier on the ground about six inches short," Gibbs said. "It was the same thing everybody else saw. We'll turn it in. I don't know what else you can do."

The play was one of several controversial calls during Sunday's game.

Alstott's two-point conversion was preceded by an apparent block of a PAT, but Shawn Springs was called for off-sides on the play. It was Springs who had raced around the left end and blocked the kick. Walt Harris raced around the right end in similar fashion.


Joe Gibbs
Said Gibbs: "We actually felt like we blocked it. We looked at it about 30 times with [special teams coordinator] Danny Smith. We felt like the center picked the ball up a little bit and that we kind of got off right when he picked it up. That block could have won it for us. Again, we'll turn that one in."

Asked what typically happens when he turns in film to the league for review, Gibbs replied: "It's going to come back as, '[The refs] either missed it or [the refs] didn't.' That's what they're going to say. You try to help as best you can and you turn all of that stuff in.

"We're all trying to work together. You want to have as few errors as possible. The best way to do that is to cooperate and send all of this stuff in. And hopefully the next time, it won't happen to us, it'll happen to somebody else."

With the off-sides penalty called, the Bucs had the ball on the 1-yard line for the game-tying PAT. In a gutsy move, Tampa Bay head coach Jon Gruden decided to go for the two-point play. It worked and it proved to be the game-winning points.

On Monday, Gibbs was questioned about going for the block on the PAT.

"We had [a play] that we felt would work," he explained. "Blocking that could have been the play of the game. You take your shot. It's one of those things when it's over, you look back and say 'What if.' For me, I kind of like to go for it and be aggressive. But in this case, you could say that it bit us."

Gibbs has been a longtime supporter of the replay system. On Monday, he said he still supports it.

"If we didn't have it, I'd really be concerned," he said. "At least this way, if there's something that's obvious, you're going to get an overturn on it. I still feel good about the fact that we can review those things."

[56FAN]

Dockery has got to go.he was the one who held on the long pass play to moss. buger mcfarland owned him all day.3 years, he's been here 3 years and is still pulling this crap. and i'm sorry but a man that big should motoring people all over the field but he reacts to the defender instead of dictates.steve hutchison were are you.

[MTK]

I've watched the PAT block play over and over and I'm telling you, it's a damn close call, it looks like Springs and Harris just get a great jump.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

However, that one play didn't make or break the Skins.

Actually I'd say it technically did. If we all think he wasn't in then we are basically saying because they screwed up on the deciding score we lost. In other words we played well enough to win by one point but got screwed by a bad call that cost us two. I'd agree we shouldn't have put ourselves in that position but at the same time the position we put ourselves in had us winning the game except the refs blew it. Just can't be in a position where the refs can blow a game like that is the lesson learned.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I've watched the PAT block play over and over and I'm telling you, it's a damn close call, it looks like Springs and Harris just get a great jump.

i'd like to see that play again, but i dont see how they both could have gone offsides at the same time without the ball moving

[SUNRA]

From the first mis-call that you all mentioned on one thread or another against Prioleau on Galloway. This set the tone of what kind of Refs we were dealing with. There was a clear case of illegal contact against the Bucs on David Patten. No call.

Now let us reason together. Why did this game have so many bad calls? The future or end of Chris Simms. That's all you heard about. How he looked like his father and so on and so forth. The media needs a darling that they can prop up and relish over and he was the one for last week. You all heard it "The greatest comeback this week" and Gruden makes a brilliant call. But htere were some sports announcers on Mike & Mike on Espn, said they watched it 20 times and you can't convince them that Alstott got in. Solomon Wilcox said on the NFL Network that Grudens call was called out of fear that his offensive line could not hold up against the Redskins defense and that he's sure the Redskins stopped Alstott.

You see, this is why Gibbs had to send this tape to the NFL, so that the next 7 games will be monitored more clearly so that this doesn't happen to us again. That's the reason he wanted to submit the tape.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by steveo395

i'd like to see that play again, but i dont see how they both could have gone offsides at the same time without the ball moving

Now for all of the mistakes we made on defense, when it seemed like we made two consistent stops, we still can't catch a break.

[Cooley 350Z]

I know it's all water under the bridge, but Boomer agrees Alstott did not get in as well.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9046714

"I've looked at Mike Alstott's two-point conversion from last week's win over the Redskins at least 10 different times. I still do not see where that football broke the plane of the goal line. Washington was shortchanged. That's all I'm going to say."