WFT Quarterback Thread - Post SEASON 2021

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

It would take a lot more than Payne to trade for Carr.

Mariota does have an injury history. It doesn't help when you are sacked 155 times in 5 years.

Like I said, I don't particularly like the idea, but if they are going to make this move, I'd rather part with a player that we probably aren't going to be able to retain in two years, than part with a pick in the first 3 rounds.

I can see that aspect too. My thing is, why not just draft Mac Jones at 19 or what if Lance falls to like 16 or 17? Trade up a few spots to get him. We already know what Mariota is and his ceiling. He’s a good QB when his team is running the ball well but if he’s asked to make throws in crunch time, he hasn’t been able to do that. To me I’d rather just roll with Heineke

[Meks]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I can see that aspect too. My thing is, why not just draft Mac Jones at 19 or what if Lance falls to like 16 or 17? Trade up a few spots to get him. We already know what Mariota is and his ceiling. He’s a good QB when his team is running the ball well but if he’s asked to make throws in crunch time, he hasn’t been able to do that. To me I’d rather just roll with Heineke

There ya go that's the spirit

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I can see that aspect too. My thing is, why not just draft Mac Jones at 19 or what if Lance falls to like 16 or 17? Trade up a few spots to get him. We already know what Mariota is and his ceiling. He’s a good QB when his team is running the ball well but if he’s asked to make throws in crunch time, he hasn’t been able to do that. To me I’d rather just roll with Heineke

I've been mostly against trading for a QB, unless he is a tier 1 guy - at the right price. I would have traded a 1st & 3rd for Stafford, and would do the same for Carr. I'd probably trade more than that for Watson, but I'm not really interested in trading for a backup like Mariota. Would rather sign someone in free agency.

I do think something has to be done before the draft though, because you don't know how that is going to play out. That doesn't mean you can't also draft a QB if the opportunity arises. #19 is too high for Mac Jones in my opinion. If Fields or Lance falls into the teens, I wouldn't be opposed to them trading up a few spots, if they think he's their guy. It's not likely though with all the teams looking to address the QB position this offseason. I think it's probably more likely that if they draft a QB, it's in rounds 3-5 (Newman, Mond...).

[oldfan]

Why would anyone consider Mariota? He has been a failure everywhere he has gone.

I understand that the quarterback is incredibly import. All you have to do is look at where New England finished without Brady and where Tampa finished with him. Then look at Dallas without Bryant. But I am against giving up the future for a back up quarterback who will get injured or benched half way through the season. Watson or Wilson would be on my radar but not the collection of backup quarterbacks that are being offered.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by oldfan

Why would anyone consider Mariota? He has been a failure everywhere he has gone.

I understand that the quarterback is incredibly import. All you have to do is look at where New England finished without Brady and where Tampa finished with him. Then look at Dallas without Bryant. But I am against giving up the future for a back up quarterback who will get injured or benched half way through the season. Watson or Wilson would be on my radar but not the collection of backup quarterbacks that are being offered.

I'm not sure I would call him a failure. Maybe he has yet to live up to the high expectations, being the #2 overall selection. He's had success though. He has been a probowler and he has won a playoff game. Like Skinzwin said, maybe he just needs to be in a system that more suits his style.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I'm not sure I would call him a failure. Maybe he has yet to live up to the high expectations, being the #2 overall selection. He's had success though. He has been a probowler and he has won a playoff game. Like Skinzwin said, maybe he just needs to be in a system that more suits his style.

When you are drafted #2 overall and the team that drafted you moves on and you are a backup on a team without a top-flight franchise QB, that is failure.

If he were a FA, take a flier. But he isn't.

[Scalper]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I can see that aspect too. My thing is, why not just draft Mac Jones at 19 or what if Lance falls to like 16 or 17? Trade up a few spots to get him. We already know what Mariota is and his ceiling. He’s a good QB when his team is running the ball well but if he’s asked to make throws in crunch time, he hasn’t been able to do that. To me I’d rather just roll with Heineke

Or just not trade up at all.
Mariota was drafted high, but if you had to regrade him today, he's not even a 2nd round pick. Why overpay for Mariota when you can draft a player nearly as good and have him 4 years on cheap rookie deal.
I'm fine with Hein at QB as well, and take patient approach.
We have too many holes and too little depth to be trading up and reaching for QBs. Half of draft picks bust with even a good GM. This doesn't mean you get scared and don't draft, it means you amass lots of picks and get more chances at the roulette wheel. That doesn't happen trading up. Probably take a 3rd round pick to move up 2 spots in 1st round. Minimum. Why not just draft a player with that pick.
All this talk of trading for people or signing retread FAs.
Draft a QB, without trading up.