McLaurin is signing a 3-year extension worth up to $71 million

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

Thanks a lot for the cap estimation !
I'll admit I don't get the hype around resigning Collins. Yes he played better after the switch to "don't call him a linebacker" linebacker, but let's not act like he was some sort of MVP.
There are better available options at LB. Ones that allow you to play your base defense. Which we can't for now.

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So what is the "base" defense?

I think that bringing back Collins is the right move.

In the first four weeks of last season, he played about 30% of his snaps at deep safety and blitzed an average of once per game. He allowed a passer rating of 118.8, along with four TDs.

In the eight games after that, he recorded an interception, two sacks, and 10 stops (PFF). That is enough to grade him as the NFL's best run defender among safeties during that span.

Is there a better option on the team, or in FA?

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

So what is the "base" defense?

I think that bringing back Collins is the right move.

In the first four weeks of last season, he played about 30% of his snaps at deep safety and blitzed an average of once per game. He allowed a passer rating of 118.8, along with four TDs.

In the eight games after that, he recorded an interception, two sacks, and 10 stops (PFF). That is enough to grade him as the NFL's best run defender among safeties during that span.

Is there a better option on the team, or in FA?

The 4-3 is our base defense. I know we play a lot of nickel and dime. But we still do play a significant part of snaps in 4-3. And for now we just don't have the roster for that. That is an issue.

As for Collins I think the bolded part says it all. "best run defenders among safeties"... but he wasn't a safety ! He was a glorified LB ! And while he was really good against the run at times, he still missed some guys, took some bad angles at times and wasn't good enough defending the pass. Grading him amongst safeties to sign him as a LB is flawed.

I'm not saying we couldn't use him. I'm saying look at our depth chart.
DB: Fuller, WJ3, St Juste, Curl, McCain, Darrick Forrest, Danny Johnson, Reaves etc...
LB: Holcomb, Davis, Hudson (hybrid) and then bellow average JAGS... We have 2.5 starting LBs.

Put aside the fact Collins played for us last year and tell me who we need more: a former safety that played better when put in a LB position, or a proven MLB with a LB body and skills ala Schobert, Hightower, Minter, Kwon Alexander, Ogletree etc... ?
I was a big fan of the Collins signing, but his progress after the switch to LB is overblown IMO. The Collins experience failed.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by FrenchSkin

The 4-3 is our base defense. I know we play a lot of nickel and dime. But we still do play a significant part of snaps in 4-3. And for now we just don't have the roster for that. That is an issue.

As for Collins I think the bolded part says it all. "best run defenders among safeties"... but he wasn't a safety ! He was a glorified LB ! And while he was really good against the run at times, he still missed some guys, took some bad angles at times and wasn't good enough defending the pass. Grading him amongst safeties to sign him as a LB is flawed.

I'm not saying we couldn't use him. I'm saying look at our depth chart.
DB: Fuller, WJ3, St Juste, Curl, McCain, Darrick Forrest, Danny Johnson, Reaves etc...
LB: Holcomb, Davis, Hudson (hybrid) and then bellow average JAGS... We have 2.5 starting LBs.

Put aside the fact Collins played for us last year and tell me who we need more: a former safety that played better when put in a LB position, or a proven MLB with a LB body and skills ala Schobert, Hightower, Minter, Kwon Alexander, Ogletree etc... ?
I was a big fan of the Collins signing, but his progress after the switch to LB is overblown IMO. The Collins experience failed.

I thought we were in a 5-2 more often than anything, but I may be mistaken.

A proven MLB is the answer. However, this regime seems to really believe Holcomb is the answer at MLB, so I don't know that that's going to happen.

Maybe one of those JAGS will surprise...who knows. I'd still bring Collins back for the right $$ though if they don't plan to sign a true Veteran LB, and if they don't have faith in anyone from the JAG pool. It would be better than not addressing the position at all.

[FrenchSkin]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I thought we were in a 5-2 more often than anything, but I may be mistaken.



A proven MLB is the answer. However, this regime seems to really believe Holcomb is the answer at MLB, so I don't know that that's going to happen.



Maybe one of those JAGS will surprise...who knows. I'd still bring Collins back for the right $$ though if they don't plan to sign a true Veteran LB, and if they don't have faith in anyone from the JAG pool. It would be better than not addressing the position at all.

Oh for sure ! Collins over nothing at the position all day ! But a proven LB over Collins all year !

As for the percentage of snaps, maybe we do play more 5-2 than 4-3 I don't remember precisely. My point is even if we only play 30% of snaps in 4-3... We can't even play it properly for now.

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[sdskinsfan2001]

Originally Posted by Chief X_Phackter

I thought we were in a 5-2 more often than anything, but I may be mistaken.

A proven MLB is the answer. However, this regime seems to really believe Holcomb is the answer at MLB, so I don't know that that's going to happen.

Maybe one of those JAGS will surprise...who knows. I'd still bring Collins back for the right $$ though if they don't plan to sign a true Veteran LB, and if they don't have faith in anyone from the JAG pool. It would be better than not addressing the position at all.

The problem is if Holcomb or Davis have to miss any games, there is no one else on the roster that should be playing anywhere near starter snaps.

Still hope they can bring in 1 more guy. We need some depth.