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[Giantone]

some again are distorting facts.






https://vtdigger.org/2019/02/15/verm...-moment-birth/

However, in 2016, the latest year for which abortion data is available, “91.7 percent of all Vermont abortions happened within the first trimester (12 weeks or less) and only 1.3 percent of Vermont abortions occurred in 2016 after 21 weeks.”

Data from the Centers for Disease Control on abortions nationwide in 2015 shows that seven abortions were conducted in Vermont after 21 weeks -- 0.7 percent of all abortions in the state -- but doesn’t give a more specific breakdown for when those procedures were performed.

The medical society added that women do not elect to terminate pregnancies in the final few months, as opponents of H.57, like Coyne, suggest.

“‘Late term’ abortion is a social construct introduced to create an image of an elective abortion that happens closer to 8-9 months, which does not happen and is not a term that is used medically,” the society says.

And even if a woman wanted to abort a pregnancy that late, there are no providers who would do it in Vermont, according to the medical society.

“No abortion providers in Vermont perform elective abortions in the third trimester,” it says.

Lucy Leriche, the vice president of public policy at Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, said the only time when a woman might get an abortion that late in their pregnancy would be “under really severe circumstances for health of mother or because the viability of pregnancy is at risk.”

Doctors who do carry out elective procedures that late in pregnancy, she added, would face dire professional consequences for violating their licensure and committing medical malpractice.

So abortions in the third trimester are exceedingly rare, and don’t occur as elective procedures, but are they legal, as Coyne says?

The law currently before Vermont lawmakers would not legalize such procedures. Hare writes: “In the event that a provider in Vermont knowingly performed a ‘partial-birth abortion’ as it is defined by the Act in violation of that federal statute, the provider could be prosecuted as provided for in the Act, and regardless of the provisions in H.57.”

But as Coyne has pointed out, “partial-birth abortion” does not describe all late-term abortions, and no one disputes that abortions for medical emergencies are legal throughout the pregnancy.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

some again are distorting facts.






https://vtdigger.org/2019/02/15/verm...-moment-birth/

However, in 2016, the latest year for which abortion data is available, “91.7 percent of all Vermont abortions happened within the first trimester (12 weeks or less) and only 1.3 percent of Vermont abortions occurred in 2016 after 21 weeks.”

Data from the Centers for Disease Control on abortions nationwide in 2015 shows that seven abortions were conducted in Vermont after 21 weeks -- 0.7 percent of all abortions in the state -- but doesn’t give a more specific breakdown for when those procedures were performed.

The medical society added that women do not elect to terminate pregnancies in the final few months, as opponents of H.57, like Coyne, suggest.

“‘Late term’ abortion is a social construct introduced to create an image of an elective abortion that happens closer to 8-9 months, which does not happen and is not a term that is used medically,” the society says.

And even if a woman wanted to abort a pregnancy that late, there are no providers who would do it in Vermont, according to the medical society.

“No abortion providers in Vermont perform elective abortions in the third trimester,” it says.

Lucy Leriche, the vice president of public policy at Planned Parenthood of Northern New England, said the only time when a woman might get an abortion that late in their pregnancy would be “under really severe circumstances for health of mother or because the viability of pregnancy is at risk.”

Doctors who do carry out elective procedures that late in pregnancy, she added, would face dire professional consequences for violating their licensure and committing medical malpractice.

So abortions in the third trimester are exceedingly rare, and don’t occur as elective procedures, but are they legal, as Coyne says?

The law currently before Vermont lawmakers would not legalize such procedures. Hare writes: “In the event that a provider in Vermont knowingly performed a ‘partial-birth abortion’ as it is defined by the Act in violation of that federal statute, the provider could be prosecuted as provided for in the Act, and regardless of the provisions in H.57.”

But as Coyne has pointed out, “partial-birth abortion” does not describe all late-term abortions, and no one disputes that abortions for medical emergencies are legal throughout the pregnancy.

I see you still have a reading comprehension problem - eveything I posted said there were very few of these relative (only 1%) to the total number of abortions performed. And now you post an article with stats that show only 1.7% of abortions in Vermont in 2016 were of this type. Brilliant!

Yes only 7 abortions in Vermont fell into this catagory (in 2016) - statistically 4-6 of them were done on healthy women with healthy fetuses (According to Government reports and also the most knowledgeable and quoted source, Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro-abortion source I might add).

I stand by my comment that yes the laws making total abortion bans are fucked up, but not as fucked up as the laws that permit this. There are 10-15k (1%) late term abortions each year in the United States, most on healthy fetus's, and you are ok with that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by nonniey

I stand by my comment that yes the laws making total abortion bans are fucked up, but not as fucked up as the laws that permit this. There are 10-15k (1%) late term abortions each year in the United States, most on healthy fetus's, and you are ok with that.

I don't think anyone said they are ok with that, how about we put both situations in the category of being fucked up and call it a day. Don't know why we have to rank them.

[Chief X_Phackter]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't think anyone said they are ok with that, how about we put both situations in the category of being fucked up and call it a day. Don't know why we have to rank them.

That seems fair.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by MTK

I don't think anyone said they are ok with that, how about we put both situations in the category of being fucked up and call it a day. Don't know why we have to rank them.

All good at least until 6 months from now when once again someone will post that late term abortions are only done to protect the life of the mother or on fetuses with fatal conditions.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

All good at least until 6 months from now when once again someone will post that late term abortions are only done to protect the life of the mother or on fetuses with fatal conditions.

Or someone will ignore the fact that just because the law says one thing finding the Dr. or place that would perform them as an elective procedure don't exist.

[nonniey]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Or someone will ignore the fact that just because the law says one thing finding the Dr. or place that would perform them as an elective procedure don't exist.

So you don't believe government studies, abortion clinic reports (they do report their activities to the health department after all) or the Guttmacher Institute??? Why does that not surprise me?

So your response to doctors and abortion clinics saying they did in fact do late term elective abortions is to tell them no they didn't????? Really????

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

So you don't believe government studies, abortion clinic reports (they do report their activities to the health department after all) or the Guttmacher Institute??? Why does that not surprise me?

So your response to doctors and abortion clinics saying they did in fact do late term elective abortions is to tell them no they didn't????? Really????

Ahhhhhh so your spin starts. I was talking Vermont , you know the place you were lying about . I never said it was all clinics I was talking Vermont and that there were no Doctors or clinics that would do late term abortions' as a elective or as you try to sell for the hell of it but please go ahead and lie and spin some more you're very entertaining.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by nonniey

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Yes only 7 abortions in Vermont fell into this category (in 2016) - statistically 4-6 of them were done on healthy women with healthy fetuses (According to Government reports and also the most knowledgeable and quoted source, Guttmacher Institute, which is a pro-abortion source I might add).

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LOL, "statistically" , you don't know , you assume. You ignore the point that NO place in Vermont will perform the procedure unless it's to protect the life of the mother or on fetuses with fatal conditions.