Eric Bieniemy

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Giantone

So why the big difference, why does KC think he is great and miss him but he comes to Washington and according to some suck and it's all his fault?

Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.

I like this logic - EB might harp on paying attention to detail but that doesn't mean he's playing chess as a playcaller - using the run to setup playaction or running 5 different plays out of the same look. He's definitely not an elite playcaller.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by mooby

I like this logic - EB might harp on paying attention to detail but that doesn't mean he's playing chess as a playcaller - using the run to setup playaction or running 5 different plays out of the same look. He's definitely not an elite playcaller.

How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.

In 1999 Andy Reid took an interview with Philly and he brought a massive book that detailed exactly how he'd run every facet of the operation.

Everywhere he's been a head coach he's ran quality offenses with quarterbacks from McNabb to Alex Smith to Mahomes. Long before Bieniemy ever got an interview for a HC job.

And yet you want me to believe Bieniemy was the real brains behind the operation?

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by mooby

In 1999 Andy Reid took an interview with Philly and he brought a massive book that detailed exactly how he'd run every facet of the operation.

Everywhere he's been a head coach he's ran quality offenses with quarterbacks from McNabb to Alex Smith to Mahomes. Long before Bieniemy ever got an interview for a HC job.

And yet you want me to believe Bieniemy was the real brains behind the operation?

EB was the OC that worked with that offense......whether he used Reid's plays or drew up his own plays EB deserves some credit.....despite EB not getting a head coaching job even Reid himself praised EB.

[mooby]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

EB was the OC that worked with that offense......whether he used Reid's plays or drew up his own plays EB deserves some credit.....despite EB not getting a head coaching job even Reid himself praised EB.

I do give him credit, he is a stickler for perfection and attention to detail. I have no issues with his coaching style. I just don't think he's an elite playcaller. Good? Yes. Better than Scott Turner for sure. On Andy Reid's level? No.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by mooby

I do give him credit, he is a stickler for perfection and attention to detail. I have no issues with his coaching style. I just don't think he's an elite playcaller. Good? Yes. Better than Scott Turner for sure. On Andy Reid's level? No.

I respect that assessment......I think if EB called a much more balanced mix of run and pass instead of calling so many pass plays he will grow as a play caller.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

How can he not be an elite play caller when he designed KC's offense to top 5 success for 5 plus years ? I think the problem he has in Washington is the players being crybabies and EB being in his first year in WASHINGTON.

Matt Nagy and Doug Peterson built that offense for Andy Reid.
Nagy was hired by the bears and EB took over as OC.
EB inherited Mahomes and that offense.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by jamf

Matt Nagy and Doug Peterson built that offense for Andy Reid.
Nagy was hired by the bears and EB took over as OC.
EB inherited Mahomes and that offense.

Despite all of that none of us can grade how bad or how good EB truly is as a OC can't truly be determined until the OL is fixed and the offense truly develops continuity.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10;1354391[B

]Because while EB instilled that discipline and that standard, notice Reid still called the plays?[/B]

It’s not like he brings nothing to the table but his former head coach never felt comfortable turning over those reigns. That says something too.

I think EB is a hardass but not that bright. We’re not talking McVay or Shanahan’s strategic thinking here.

Not according to Andy Reid .