How Will Campbell Be Handled?

[That Guy]

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I'd just like to state the right now Jason Campbell is an unknown. This is all squabbling over hypotheticals based off rampant (and varying) assumptions of a complete unknown.

Originally Posted by huddle

He isn't an unknown to Joe Gibbs. Our discussion has been speculation based on Joe's glowing report on Campbell. If you don't want to participate, that's okay.

Please tell me where i said i didn't want to participate. I said we should be aware of the fact that most of this thread is speculation. Its a valid point.

Once again, I DO NOT NEED YOUR F'ing permission to write posts. Stop acting like i do.

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can't it be both? we won 5 straight games towards the end, so obviously we had the lead and started running more. brunell wore out at the end, but its not like we averaged 2.0ypc and decided to run anyways. It was working, so we continued to rely on it. I don't see why you'd abandon what's working without a good reason.

Originally Posted by huddle

We ran early in the game. At times, we continued to run even when it wasn't working. The committment to the run was our staffs' adjustment after the Oakland loss and after even the Rams and Cards defenses held down our passing game.

You didn't answer the question, and if it wasn't working, how come portis went on a tear of 100+ yard games and we came out of that stretch 5-0?

We had 257 rushing yards against the Rams, why would we bother passing?

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Coincidently, that drop off is also attributeable to the loss of patten. If you can blame it all on brunell, I'll go ahead and blame it all on losing patten.

You're up to your old tricks: putting words in my mouth. Even after I underlined the words in my post saying that there were several causes for the drop-off, you come up with this strawman.

First of all, If you read the entire point instead of the out of context bit you replied to, you'd see that i blamed a lot of things besides just patten.

Second, what tricks? This whole thread is about how you don't think the offseason acquisitions are enough to make BRUNELL successful. not to mention your trick of MISQUOTING PEOPLE OUT OF CONTEXT. If you weren't implying that brunell was the reason for our losses, then why did you make this thread? if brunell was fine, why should ANY of us care about campbell and whether he starts? You're backtracking.

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I don't see how this year with better WR depth, better WR talent, and better scheme that we'll somehow be worse off.

Originally Posted by huddle

Another strawman? Who said we'd be worse off?

Its not a strawman, its simply an opinion (unless you totally lack reading comprehension), but apparently I'm not allowed to have an opinion. Why the F**k do you keep acting like i can't post without you're express permission and approval of my opinions. Stop being a twat.

Let's simplify:
I think the upgrades will make us better next year. Whether YOU said anything or not doesn't matter as I didn't make ANY reference to you.

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the very fact that you think people should take your word (without ANY proof) over that of a collective group of experts is either hubris or stupidity. Either way, statements like this are why your credibility is dead.

Originally Posted by huddle

And now the personal attack?

How is that a personal attack and not a fact? please PLEASE PLEASE explain why you're smarter than the collective whole of NFL coaches regarding personnel decisions with something concrete. You can't and you're not.

This is you deflecting the attention away from rebutting the statement with a childish "i'm being oppressed" routine.

Please rebut the actual statement instead. or are you going to pull "he didn't ask nicely" routine?

Your methods are tired and played out, and its obvious you've never been part of any real debate because you refuse to argue the merits of the case and instead rely on hoping everyone else has the intelligence of a 5 year and can't see that you never actually respond to valid criticism.

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and yet in that same thread you were proven wrong on every point, and two days later you post an article about how great (DVOA) stats are (which, by the way, are still stats). So its nice that you think you're smarter than everyone else, except it's not true. And you ended up disagreeing with the very post that you thought was so well reasoned :P

Originally Posted by huddle

Horse puckey.

See, again, valid criticism is ignored because you don't have an answer besides stating that YOU WERE WRONG.

That post is fact. You said stats were almost worthless, and days later you said that DVOA was a good stat and posted an article about it and how it might be useful. THOSE ARE FACTS.

You backtracked, you got caught, so now you refuse to even attempt a rebuttal.

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do i even need to comment? with no experience as an NFL coach, the fact that you'd think you know more than them about any point of their job (as a collective whole) is insane.

and more irony from the unwitting master :P.

Originally Posted by huddle

Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm getting the distinct feeling that you don't appreciate my posts.

And here's the 3rd time in one post where you refused a rebuttal of valid criticism. What makes you smarter than the collective whole of NFL coaches? you have yet to answer that question.


What i don't like is your hypocrisy, you're inability to defend your statements against valid criticim, you're convenient backtracking, you're attempts to sidetrack issues when you can't defend them, you're proclamations about the rules of debate that change whenever they don't favor you, and you're absolute refusal even possibly consider you might be wrong. Other than that, we're fine.