Core of the Redskins problem: Greed

Drift Reality · 10-16-2006, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I'm sure it is cause he wasn't happy with his deal since last season. So seeing Archuleta get paid probably bugs him, but I don't think he's not playing hard because of that. I think he's having a decent season, just a little suspect in pass coverage, but why the hell is playing one on one with guys all the time anyway?

Guys, maybe the Sean Taylor example wasn't good because I think it distracts us from the real issue, which is the personnel strategy.

I know Taylor has a huge following on this board and I'm one of his biggest fans.

All I'm saying is that when you are playing to make a highlight reel you are going to play more undisciplined than when you are playing for your team. I think some guys may be playing for themselves moreso than for their team and I think the personnel strategy is a big influencer on that.

Oakland Red · 10-16-2006, 11:57 AM

This race card business is a joke. Sean Taylor has gone through a lot in his young career and I can't think of another team in professional sports who would have been so supportive as the Washington Redskins have been.

The jury is out on Archuleta since he is learning a new defense in a context where everything is out of whack due to all the injuries. The Redskins thought they were signing a great player, an experienced veteran with truly exceptional ability who would fit perfectly with what the Redskins wanted to do. Taylor can expect a hefty raise when his contract is up if he keeps making progress like he has. Gregg Williams has made it clear Taylor is the player with the most talent he has ever coached. Archuleta was supposed to be the guy who really sent our secondary over the top, to help get us to the Super Bowl. The Redskins didn't feel that Ryan Clark was that kind of player.

The Redskins wanted to sign Pierce, but Pierce wanted the big stage of New York. A judgment was made about Smoot that we could do better with a draft choice, supported by a veteran at that position to give him time to mature, than to give him a huge contract. Who knows all the reasons went into the decision about Smoot. The basic point is correct - not to pay him a lot more than Springs. Archuleta may not be the player they hoped for, and it may have been a mistake to sign him, but they thought they were getting a special player who would be a major difference maker. Taylor's talent at this stage in his career, especially with how things have gone with him overall, is not a suffcient reason to say we cannot pay anyone more than him at safety in my view.

We have been setting ourselves up for a Super Bowl run, and now has not been the time to just go on draft choices. If you are a core Redskin, and you don't want to leave like Pierce did, you will be rewarded on this team.

djdunick · 10-16-2006, 12:03 PM

Drift,

As far as Taylor is concerned. Let's face facts. Race had nothing to do with his current contract. How about blaming his agent and the fact the for the terriffic performer he is on the field he's a basket case off the field and makes bad decisions. Remember how he hired/fired agents? And lest we forget that the current management has a history of bringing in players from the outside and paying them more then draft picks (the few that we have) regardless of color.

The only other factor that I could think of besides playing ability that would factor into the pay level would have nothing to do with black and white, it would have to do with the color green. With Sean Taylors antics on and off the field (spitting @ the Tampa Bay game, personal fouls, arrest on gun charges) I would certainly believe that Archuletta's squeeky clean image is more marketable then Taylor's.

I do agree his level of play has deteriorated. I watched him closely last week against the Giants and on a couple of plays I was used to seeing his 'hit seeking missle' hits and instead he delivered a very soft hit. I'm not sure what his problem is.

Beemnseven · 10-16-2006, 01:14 PM

I disagree with the "greed" aspect. Can anyone define greed, by the way?

Is it greedy to win as many games as you can? Is it greed to make as much money as you can?

I've never understood the whole "greed" thing, in any sense. We all want what's best for us, and the same goes for the team.

jdlea · 10-16-2006, 01:27 PM

I'm not really going with the Snyder angle, I'm just saying what the Skins do with free agents is wrong, I don't care whose fault it is. It's not really a good long term solution. I said people would defend Snyder, I didn't say it was him.

10-16-2006, 11:57 AM	#2
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: Core of the Redskins problem: Greed This race card business is a joke. Sean Taylor has gone through a lot in his young career and I can't think of another team in professional sports who would have been so supportive as the Washington Redskins have been. The jury is out on Archuleta since he is learning a new defense in a context where everything is out of whack due to all the injuries. The Redskins thought they were signing a great player, an experienced veteran with truly exceptional ability who would fit perfectly with what the Redskins wanted to do. Taylor can expect a hefty raise when his contract is up if he keeps making progress like he has. Gregg Williams has made it clear Taylor is the player with the most talent he has ever coached. Archuleta was supposed to be the guy who really sent our secondary over the top, to help get us to the Super Bowl. The Redskins didn't feel that Ryan Clark was that kind of player. The Redskins wanted to sign Pierce, but Pierce wanted the big stage of New York. A judgment was made about Smoot that we could do better with a draft choice, supported by a veteran at that position to give him time to mature, than to give him a huge contract. Who knows all the reasons went into the decision about Smoot. The basic point is correct - not to pay him a lot more than Springs. Archuleta may not be the player they hoped for, and it may have been a mistake to sign him, but they thought they were getting a special player who would be a major difference maker. Taylor's talent at this stage in his career, especially with how things have gone with him overall, is not a suffcient reason to say we cannot pay anyone more than him at safety in my view. We have been setting ourselves up for a Super Bowl run, and now has not been the time to just go on draft choices. If you are a core Redskin, and you don't want to leave like Pierce did, you will be rewarded on this team.

10-16-2006, 12:03 PM	#3
djdunick Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Reisterstown, MD Age: 64 Posts: 141	Re: Core of the Redskins problem: Greed Drift, As far as Taylor is concerned. Let's face facts. Race had nothing to do with his current contract. How about blaming his agent and the fact the for the terriffic performer he is on the field he's a basket case off the field and makes bad decisions. Remember how he hired/fired agents? And lest we forget that the current management has a history of bringing in players from the outside and paying them more then draft picks (the few that we have) regardless of color. The only other factor that I could think of besides playing ability that would factor into the pay level would have nothing to do with black and white, it would have to do with the color green. With Sean Taylors antics on and off the field (spitting @ the Tampa Bay game, personal fouls, arrest on gun charges) I would certainly believe that Archuletta's squeeky clean image is more marketable then Taylor's. I do agree his level of play has deteriorated. I watched him closely last week against the Giants and on a couple of plays I was used to seeing his 'hit seeking missle' hits and instead he delivered a very soft hit. I'm not sure what his problem is.

10-16-2006, 01:14 PM	#4
Beemnseven Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Virginia Beach Age: 52 Posts: 5,311	Re: Core of the Redskins problem: Greed I disagree with the "greed" aspect. Can anyone define greed, by the way? Is it greedy to win as many games as you can? Is it greed to make as much money as you can? I've never understood the whole "greed" thing, in any sense. We all want what's best for us, and the same goes for the team.

10-16-2006, 01:27 PM	#5
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 41 Posts: 3,109	Re: Core of the Redskins problem: Greed I'm not really going with the Snyder angle, I'm just saying what the Skins do with free agents is wrong, I don't care whose fault it is. It's not really a good long term solution. I said people would defend Snyder, I didn't say it was him.

Core of the Redskins problem: Greed

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