Coaches and fans always miles apart.

[marius]

If you listen to fans of any team in any sport they almost always take issue with coaches choices. Obviously that's part of the fun of supporting a team - to discuss and debate things etc. Pretty much all of the time it is easier to say that the coaches picked the wrong guy because we'll never be able to back up our opinions as we can never pick the team. The coaches always know more than any fan about the team and individuals within the team and indeed the sport so fans second guessing them is usually in response to poor performance.

However, every now and again it seems that almost all fans disagree with a coach on a selection he has made, as in the case of Holdman versus Rocky. Now, I'm not saying that we all think Rocky should start but I don't think that you could find one fan who doesn't want to see him at least get on the field. But apparently, Williams and Gibbs think we are all wrong.

Why? Either they know something we don't (in this case - Rocky isn't up to the task yet) or they are just being stubborn and sticking to a policy (in this case not playing rookies) or they love Holdman.

Let's just hope it isn't the first reason of Rocky not being up to it.

[MTK]

Let's face it, it's really easy for us to sit here and diagnose what we think is wrong. The reality of it is we really don't have the benefit of seeing the players up close in practice and in games, we don't know the players and we don't have any sort of meaningful work or off the field relationships with them like the coaches do. The coaches know these guys inside and out.

The coaches' decisions are based on a hell of a lot more information and inside knowledge than we will ever know or fully understand.

As the great Jim Mora once said: "You don't know. You just don't know. You may think you know, but you don't know. And you never will."

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I think this is a case where they're stubborn. I mean look at Campbell thus far: we knew it, the media knew it, the players probably knew it. Now he comes in and is making plays Brunell could have never made.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think this is a case where they're stubborn. I mean look at Campbell thus far: we knew it, the media knew it, the players probably knew it. Now he comes in and is making plays Brunell could have never made.

Again, that's easy for us to say now. Who knows how he would have looked if we had went to him earlier in the year. Gibbs probably stuck with Brunell too long, but the QB was not all to blame for the struggles this year.

The D up until last week has been pure garbage, just garbage.

Also, the implementation of Saunders' offense hasn't been as smooth as anticipated.

If the D was playing up to par and the transition to Saunders went a bit smoother, perhaps we're sitting here at 7-4 rather than 4-7.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think this is a case where they're stubborn. I mean look at Campbell thus far: we knew it, the media knew it, the players probably knew it. Now he comes in and is making plays Brunell could have never made.

Come on thats BS. Yes he made some plays that MB may not have made but maybe MB would have made some plays that JC didn't make. Yes it was time to turn the team over for our future but for this year as of now its not making a difference. As for Rock there is a reason he is not playing and it could be a number of thing which we have no way of knowing.

[marius]

Originally Posted by firstdown

As for Rock there is a reason he is not playing and it could be a number of thing which we have no way of knowing.

Exactly right - we don't know. However, what we do know is that Holdman isn't playing well - even being charitable you couldn't say that the guy has played better than average at any point and has dipped below average fairly often. If we know that (and I doubt anyone would argue) then the coaches certainly know it but for whatever reason, they won't put Rocky in and you have to feel that it is because they think he will be worse than Holdman at this point.

Senile old Rumsfeld summed it up beautifully with his known knowns and unknown unknowns etc. To us and the coaches it is a known known that Holdman is poor. To us Rocky is an unknown unknown but to the coaches his is a known unknown. (Good old Rummy!)

[TheMalcolmConnection]

To me, it seems like the coaches want someone who's going to play "consistent". While Rocky might make some great plays, he could just as easily make some crappy plays. I think they like the fact they know what they'll get with Holdman.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think this is a case where they're stubborn. I mean look at Campbell thus far: we knew it, the media knew it, the players probably knew it. Now he comes in and is making plays Brunell could have never made.

Seriously, our coaching staff may be the best ever assembled. Obviously, they have not yet delivered what IS expected. I personally think they will.
Joe2 has been commonly mentioned over the years, as "arguably the best NFL coach ever". If he can get back to the SB, it will be undeniably so.
That having been said, for the most part these guys are the best of the best.......the Top Guns of their fields. How long do we really think they could survive, let alone achieve the results and reputations they have making decisions on childish emotion, and petty baseless rules. I for one, can believe no part of that. They are paid to, and achieve what they have by putting the best team on the field. Nothing more

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Again, that's easy for us to say now. Who knows how he would have looked if we had went to him earlier in the year. Gibbs probably stuck with Brunell too long, but the QB was not all to blame for the struggles this year.

The D up until last week has been pure garbage, just garbage.

Also, the implementation of Saunders' offense hasn't been as smooth as anticipated.

If the D was playing up to par and the transition to Saunders went a bit smoother, perhaps we're sitting here at 7-4 rather than 4-7.

with the misuse of preseason, not everyone anticipated it to be smooth seems like we're back to a gibbs based running game now too.

[Jason72]

Holdman had been awful up until this past game and will probably be awful from here on, but this week I say his should be starting over Rocky. Rocky's time will come soon enough.

[SouperMeister]

Fans will always second guess coaches and the front office when their teams are failing to meet expectations. You don't hear much second guessing going on in New England these days. If Gibbs can reinstill a culture of winning, the fans will agree with most every decision that Gibbs and his coaches make.

[hooskins]

The great Jim Mora also once say: "Diddly poo" and "PLAYOFFS!!!(high pitch girly voice)".

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I think this is a case where they're stubborn. I mean look at Campbell thus far: we knew it, the media knew it, the players probably knew it. Now he comes in and is making plays Brunell could have never made.

More than likely, Campbell wouldn't have made those plays last year or even at the beginning of the season. I think him carrying a clip board is what has helped him more than anything else.