Tom "Iceman" Brady

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That's the thing, NO stats favor Brady. Part of that is Manning's offense, but mostly it's because he's jsut better, plain and simple.

i don't understand your logic, maybe it's just me but you seem to want to discredit brady's stats, and yes there are plenty of stat in his favor, you choose to call them "team stats" but yet you want to give all credit to manning for his completions and his passing yardage and his qb rating when you know very well just as much credit should be given to his recievers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

i don't understand your logic, maybe it's just me but you seem to want to discredit brady's stats, and yes there are plenty of stat in his favor, you choose to call them "team stats" but yet you want to give all credit to manning for his completions and his passing yardage and his qb rating when you know very well just as much credit should be given to his recievers.

But WHY should I see those team stats as anything more than having a superior team (as his team is quite obviously superior, evidenced by the wins)? What's your reasoning that they SHOULDN'T be discredited in a debate about individual players, not teams? Every other piece of evidence says that Manning outplays Brady. So why all of a sudden does Brady get more credit for doing less?

[wolfeskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But WHY should I see those team stats as anything more than having a superior team? What's your reasoning that they SHOULDN'T be discredited in a debate about individual players, not teams? Every other piece of evidence says that Manning outplays Brady. So why all of a sudden does Brady get more credit for doing less?

but isn't it reasonable for manning to have better stats in certain areas because he has superior recievers ? when you say "superior team" are you speaking of offense , defense or both because it is debatable as to which team has had the best offense over the past few seasons.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by wolfeskins

but isn't it reasonable for manning to have better stats in certain areas because he has superior recievers ? when you say "superior team" are you speaking of offense , defense or both because it is debatable as to which team has had the best offense over the past few seasons.

Yes, its very reasonable to say that Manning's stats are improved by his offensive teammates. But I don't think it comes close to explaining the massive distance he continues to put between himself and Brady year after year. There's a small minute possibility that if Harrison and Wayne are the two greatest recievers ever, that it may explain the enitre gap in production.

I don't buy it. Harrison and Wayne don't help Manning out after the catch nearly as much as Santana does for us. Is Joseph Addai really a better runner than Dillion or Maroney? For that matter, was Edgerrin James really that much better? He hasn't been so hot in Arizona.

Players who leave Indy's offense traditionally don't have success other places. Who could blame them?