Yet Another #$(&^ing Ramsey Thread...Gotta Keep Up With the #$(&^#ing Brunell Threads

[wilsowilso]

Lavar always talked too much, but now he has no choice but to shut up.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Well what's average arm strength for the NFL? You say Campbell is slightly above average and I figure that he is well above average. Not top end, but I bet Campbell could throw it in the high sixty yard range. From 65 to not quite 70 yards.

Who really knows, just an observation from seeing both throw the ball, and the fact that Ramsey was a world class javelin thrower, I really don't even care, I have always felt arm strength is overated, I believe brains is what gets the job done, we will see about Campbell.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

And Brunell...I'm all for it Dmek

So can we do Lavar threads? Man give a guy a little power.

[MTK]

Ramsey couldn't beat out two limp-armed QBs in Brunell and now Pennington. Just goes to show how far a strong arm gets you in this league. Maybe by his 10th year or so someone will finally be smart enough to give him a "fair shot". After all, he did have a few nice plays 3 years ago.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Ramsey couldn't beat out two limp-armed QBs in Brunell and now Pennington. Just goes to show how far a strong arm gets you in this league. Maybe by his 10th year or so someone will finally be smart enough to give him a "fair shot". After all, he did have a few nice plays 3 years ago.

Really, like you weren't on the Ramsey bandwagon after his first 2 years, the only thing Ramsey did once Gibbs arrived was sit the bench in favor of the teachers pet.

Gibbs has been wrong constantly about personel since he's come back, you don't think Ramsey could be just another Gibbs mistake? You know like the one he made in Brunell!

The fact is we didn't have a QB on our roster last year who could outplay Pennington so because Ramsey couldn't dethrown a very good incumbant QB he's finished? If you say so, I say he will succeed, how about we let this play out and then evaluate.

[MTK]

So is Mangini not seeing this Ramsey brilliance too??

I was on Ramsey's bandwagon years ago but I can admit it when I'm wrong.

He's not a good player, and he's not good enough to be a starter in this league. It's becoming quite clear that nobody "ruined" him or screwed him over, he just simply is not the player we hoped he would become.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by offiss

Tell me what you actually like about this team?

I guess I should say everything is golden when we are supposed to be a SB contender and winde up 5-11, I guess everything is fine when with that record we find ourselves with 1 significant draft pick, maybe thats the problem with the Skins, they can't admit they don't know what they are doing, so they continue to screw up over and over. Right now we are a 5-11 team with 1 pick, we might as well give away our late round picks the way we evaluate talent.

Unfortuantly you don't pay attention, I always said Moss was a great trade from the day it happened, I have alway's said Betts is a big time back if he recieved an opportunity and in fairness could stay healthy. I love Taylor and still feel he can be an all time great, I loved the Cooley pick at the time it happened, but I hate the fact that we don't utilize the draft, I don't want other teams castoffs.

How would you feel if we had drafted Stephen Jackson instead of trading for Portis? Or we had all our picks this year, would you rather swing a deal for Calvin Johnson, or would you rather have Lloyd and El? we have passed up so much talent, and in some cases better talent for a lot less money and this trend doesn't seem to have an end. Thats what ticks me off.

I would rather be signing the praises of the Skins but I don't sugar coat problems because of personel bias!

To be accurate, you, totally let your personal bias cloud what success the team HAS had. While I, and I'm sure many of the fans on this site are not happy with many of the results the Skins have had and did not expect to be a 5-11 team last year.
To paint the picture completely negative as you routinely do is, and take particular joy at grinding your literary heal on most of the team suggests NOTHING but personal bias, not honest evaluative measure. You mentioned 4 players you actually liked. I guess that suggests you dislike/loath something like 95% of the players and staff? Hard to be a "fan" of................that

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

As a far as thier Redskin career goes thats an easy comparison. Infact I can make a better case for Ramsey a young inexperienced player out performing seasoned vet.

Uh, OK Offiss.

We're (I'm) still waiting.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Who really knows, just an observation from seeing both throw the ball, and the fact that Ramsey was a world class javelin thrower, I really don't even care, I have always felt arm strength is overated, I believe brains is what gets the job done, we will see about Campbell.

Yet you argued just how impressive Ramsey's arm strength was over Campbell's. I do agree, brains is what gets the job done, and so far, Ramsey has not gotten the job done.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Yet you argued just how impressive Ramsey's arm strength was over Campbell's. I do agree, brains is what gets the job done, and so far, Ramsey has not gotten the job done.

Do you actually have the ability to comprehend? The discussion WAS about arm strength thats what it was about, that is why my opinion was that Ramsey has a stronger arm than Campbell that's all, not that Ramsey is a better QB because of arm strength. We will see about Ramsey he can now write his own ticket to a situation that suits him. As for Campbell, I didn't see anything spectacular about him to get all worked up about [he is more mobile than I thought he was which is a very good thing], yet he's crowned the next great Skins QB, as Gibbs say's, so as his followers go, just like when everyone called for Brunells head in season 2 and Ramsey became the starter and was crowned the starter for the upcoming season by Gibbs, what a joke that was. Well to all the Campbell guys out there you better hope he doesn't go down for a series or 2 because you have to know Gibbs wants to start Brunell in the worst way, he's still looking to justify that trade. We all know Gibbs word is meaningless when it comes to the QB position, he could have another one of those gut feelings you know. And the fact that Brunell is still on this team you have to know it's on the horizon, and so long as Brunell is on this team I am the biggest Campbell fan out there!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Hog1

To be accurate, you, totally let your personal bias cloud what success the team HAS had. While I, and I'm sure many of the fans on this site are not happy with many of the results the Skins have had and did not expect to be a 5-11 team last year.
To paint the picture completely negative as you routinely do is, and take particular joy at grinding your literary heal on most of the team suggests NOTHING but personal bias, not honest evaluative measure. You mentioned 4 players you actually liked. I guess that suggests you dislike/loath something like 95% of the players and staff? Hard to be a "fan" of................that

Please by all means tell me about how great we are? To paint a picture routinely ugly is not dead on balls accurate? Are we not going backwards rather than forwards? Rest assured it's not personel bias, it's fact! 5-11 for a team that was supposed to be a SB contender, a team that spent major money and gave up most of our draft this year to reach the SB last season is bias not fact? A 5-11 team with 1 significant draft pick is on it's way to the promised land this year? Ok then, you got me, im bias.