we still need a guard

[That Guy]

i mean, i watched the games and really didn't see our OL being nearly as dreadful as you're suggesting. it actually looked pretty good compared to the giants or cowboys, and at LEAST equal to philly (though philly has better depth).

3 years ago we had cory raymer as a turnstile at C getting pushed back into the backfield every single play. I've never been more embarrassed than when i had to watch him play. I haven't seen anything like that the last two years though, and both years our #6 OL has been good starter quality to boot.

[RedskinPete]

Originally Posted by That Guy

i mean, i watched the games and really didn't see our OL being nearly as dreadful as you're suggesting. it actually looked pretty good compared to the giants or cowboys, and at LEAST equal to philly (though philly has better depth).

3 years ago we had cory raymer as a turnstile at C getting pushed back into the backfield every single play. I've never been more embarrassed than when i had to watch him play. I haven't seen anything like that the last two years though, and both years our #6 OL has been good starter quality to boot.

Cory just didn't have any thing left when he came back. Still you are right line play has been better but I would feel better if we had three back ups to fill in! I just remember that Seahawk play-off game!

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by jdlea

I agree, but 80 mil to Clements. 30 mil to Stallworth seems high. It's getting to be like everyone pays guys the Skins would. Too bad we're paying for it in our cap situation in the coming years...if the front office gets them outta this one they should get an award, whether they win anything or not.

Stallworth was a total overpay. But he's got great skills ( although average hands) and NE had to get Brady some weapons.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Would that it wee so that the Redskins had "some of the best OL in the league". Sadly, that just doesn't hold up to rational analysis.

Is Rabach one of the top ten starting centers in the NFL? I doubt it. He may be in the top ten in the NFC, but even that is debatable. There are 32 starting centers; he's below 15 on the list.

Randy Thomas is a solid offensive guard. Is he one of the outstanding guards in the league? No. In fact, he's not one of the top three offensive guards in the NFC East. He's better than average and a fine player, but "one of the best" he is not.

Chris Samuels is one of the top ten left tackles in the NFL. He isn't nearly as good as all of his Pro-Bowl appearances might lead you to believe he is. He's not THE dominant left tackle in the NFC. But he's very good.

Jon Jansen used to be the best OL on the Skins but injuries - and maybe Father Time - have reduced his effectivness for the past two years. If it was "injuries" that did him in, we should see a huge improvement from that side of the OL next year; it it was Father Time, things will only get worse. I don't know which one it was and no one will really know until the actual season - not the exhibition season - begins.

Bottom Line: The Skins OL is OK; there are more than a few that are worse and there are more than a few that are better. And blind faith in Joe Bugeol to "work his magic" is just that; blind faith. He's been here for 3 seasons and the OL is only marginally better now than it was in his first season.

Samuels gets no respect. The guy played great football last year.

[XXVI]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Where to start here?

Well first off all of your evaluations look more like opinions than anything even though they are presented as facts.

First I'd like to know what you're basing your evaluations on? For example why do you think Rabach is below average? Why are other guards better than Thomas?

Second I'd like to know how you can make a statement like "I don't know which one it was and no one will really know until the actual season" about Jansen and then state later "But they do need 5 guys who are all above average at their positions and that's not what they have now." I thought you said you didn't know what Jansen was? Your last statement contrdicts that.

Thirdly you seem to have completely ignored the old saying about the whole being greater than the sum of the parts.

And fourthly I am astounded by the statement "He's been here for 3 seasons and the OL is only marginally better now than it was in his first season". Have you lost your mind. I distinctly remember how poor our line was just 3 years ago. To me, not being able to distinguish between the quality of our line this past season and just 3 years ago shows eaither a total lack of objectivity or just a plain old lack of understanding. It makes everything you say on this matter totally worthless when you make a statement like.

And say all you want about Burgundy colored glasses but not everyone wears those. There are a lot of people on this site who can be objective and you seem to always brand someone who disagrees as "wearing" these metphorical glasses. Could it be that as colored as some people's outlook is based on emotion yours is colored exactly opposite because your emotions lead you to disagree and be negative and pessimistic?

Marginally better? HAHA look at 'Career Backup' Patrick Ramsey! The OL was the ENTIRE REASON he doesn't nor ever will have a starting role in the NFL. The OL was HORRIFIC before Bugel. OMFG this Sportscurmegon guy needs an evaluation of his own lol.... Bugel could make your Mom, Dad, Baby brother, baby sister, and YOU be a better OL than most of the NFC. Get bent lol.

[That Guy]

why are all the new guys so quick with the insults? you can disagree without getting personal.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by XXVI

Marginally better? HAHA look at 'Career Backup' Patrick Ramsey! The OL was the ENTIRE REASON he doesn't nor ever will have a starting role in the NFL. The OL was HORRIFIC before Bugel. OMFG this Sportscurmegon guy needs an evaluation of his own lol.... Bugel could make your Mom, Dad, Baby brother, baby sister, and YOU be a better OL than most of the NFC. Get bent lol.

Hey buddy...um...

I think you agree with me so please don't use my post as a quote when you are going off on someone else.