The Official Warpath Sign Tim Rattay and Cut Todd Collins Thread

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GoSkins!

It also makes sense to have Collins here to help teach a younger guy the offense. Having 2 old backups who should both be gone next year doesn't seems smart.

Collins does not have any mileage on him since he has never played. So I'm not sure why he would be gone after next year. Unless he just can't play at all. But the coaches see him up close so they must see something in the guy. I like the move Carolina made. And also Atl. signing Harrington. We need a younger guy with some playing experience.

[SmootSmack]

If he became available, what do you all think about Charlie Frye as a young backup? He's taken a beating in Cleveland, but under the right tutelage he might be ok.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

If he became available, what do you all think about Charlie Frye as a young backup? He's taken a beating in Cleveland, but under the right tutelage he might be ok.

No thanks. I don't think he has a strong enoough arm nor is he a very accurate passer.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

No thanks. I don't think he has a strong enoough arm nor is he a very accurate passer.

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

[724Skinsfan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Does Rattay have a stronger arm than Frye? I mean maybe he does

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by offiss

I agree with you on this one G, I believe we should cut Brunell as well, we have to move on and look to the future, why we hang onto a QB who we know can't get the job done in Brunell is beyond me. A backup is a guy who you hope has what it takes to become a starter and can possibly lead a team for a season if your starter goes down, we don't have that right now, it's time to cut the cord with these guys and press on!

Well, having Rattay would eliminate the absolute necessity for having Brunell around, but even still, Brunell's contract makes him idiotic for us to dump him now. He's probably the best backup option in the league, assuming that Garcia wins the starter role in Tampa. Teams like Minnesota, Atlanta, and Oakland would be much better off with a guy like Brunell in there. So this notion that he can't play is coming from some pretty spoiled fans, IMO. Admittedly, he's going to continue to be in ever so slight decline each year for the rest of his career, so we even restructured his deal to automatically void after this year. Brunell's future has already been decided.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by crawfish

Sorry. Our passing game last year w/ Brunell was not very good. The guy struggles to throw for 200 yards. I remember a couple of games where he barely threw for 100 yards. Not all his fault though. But if Brunell was playing good he would not have gotten benched.

But I agree. Defense must play better!

Uh, no? A guy who has a 1st round pick at QB behind him on the depth chart will get replaced whenever the team feels the young gun is ready. Brunell had basically been keeping the seat warm for two years.

Gibbs knew that he'd be costing us some wins when he went to Campbell, but in a lost season, the decision was an easy one. Giving up merely your best chance to win for a much better chance to win in future seasons is a no brainer. Gibbs didn't just fall off the turnip truck, he had a plan with his QBs all along and he stuck to it.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

To expand that a little bit further, what back-up QB would fit Saunders offense the best?
1) Strong arm strength but not good on reads/immobile? Kyle Boller, Aaron Brooks, Drew Bledsoe(?)
2) Mid-range on arm strength and decent on his reads? Charlie Frye, Todd Bouman, Cleo Lemon(?)
3) Average-only arm strength but great decision making? Brunell, Collins, Trent Green (?)

I'm sure the players I listed aren't exact fits for the limited categories I provided but it's just something to get started with.

Saunders' system, like every other system, would benefit from having the best QB in there. Style is all relative to talent. Those who make the best reads/decisions are the best quarterbacks. Those who make poor reads/decisions aren't any good at all.

Of that list, Brunell and Trent Green are the only guys who should still be playing in this league. Maybe in a few years, Lemon can be a backup, but that's about it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I think Ramsey would have led us to the Super Bowl, LaVar Arrington would have been the next LT had it not been for his injury, we gave up too much for Clinton Portis, we never should have let Pierce go, and we never should have acquired Trotter.

I just thought I'd make the above points in anticipation of talking about everything that is water under the bridge and beaten to a pulp.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But GTripp, can you explain to me why signing a guy of Tim Rattay's quality will be more expensive next year than he would be right now?

He's a mediocre-at-best QB that's been ditched by two teams now. Carr got $3 million a year. If Rattay is worth $2.5 million a year now (which we can't afford in 07 by the way), then why would a guy like him be worth anything more than $2.8 or so next year?

I think we know enough about Rattay as a player to pinpoint his career path. He's right in the prime of his career right now, and should he get a chance to start down the stretch, is good enough to put together a solid career. He's one of the 32 best QBs in this league.

Any player who fits all that criteria next year will certainly be a hot commodity. It's a complete fluke that with all those teams that have crappy QBs, Tim Rattay is not a hot commodity.

This is a rare, sizable market deficency and we would be wise to exploit it while the oppertunity is still available.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I have always thought highly of Rattay. Rattay isn't a franchise QB, so I understand why San Fran went after a QB with the #1 overall pick and TB let him go after failing to agree to a contract extension with him. But, while he's never going to be a stellar #1, he's probably one of the better #2s in the league. Here are his stats for anyone who is interested.

Where's our resident 49ers fan to enlighten us?

[SmootSmack]

Was it Lloyd that said he stopped caring in San Fran once they let Rattay go, because that told him they didn't care about winning?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I agree. It's time to turn the page on Brunell. Rattay would fit in well here and I would have Collins and Rattay battle for #2. It's makes no sense to hold on to Brunell at this point.

It makes a lot less sense, economically and talent wise, to hold on to Collins.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Was it Lloyd that said he stopped caring in San Fran once they let Rattay go, because that told him they didn't care about winning?

That was the rumor.

[Beemnseven]

I don't see what would be so catastrophic about bringing in Rattay, providing he doesn't break the cap bank.

In fact, his on-the-field experience in regular season play compared to Todd Collins' time might make up for his lack of understanding of what is apparently The World's Most Sophisticated Offense.

I would also agree that the overall athletic advantages Rattay has over Collins might make it a wise move for the future. But then, that's exactly the kind of forsight the front office isn't really known for.