Pastabelly bashes J. Gibbs

[skinsfan69]

Joe deserves some heat as the coach. He has made many coaching mistakes since his return. Now that we have a QB that can get the ball downfield I want to see a more aggressive, quick strike offense.

[JDALY27]

2004 was a bad year.

2005 was magical. If Rogers picks that off he's in the endzone and maybe we're in the championship game. That team knocked the Seahawks around all day long. We just didn't get it done on offense.

2006 was a total dud. I blame the coaches for this year. After Brunell failed in 2005 playoffs he should have been eliminated from the starting line up. Way too many coaching mistakes. If Joe wasn't Joe Gibbs he would have been fired after this season.

I have confidence that they have learned from their mistakes and adjusted to Al Saunders. Anything less than the playoffs is a failure and Joe needs to go. Its do or die time. Joe Gibbs had the balls to come back! Unlike the Tuna who gets no heat for that bail out move.

Pastabelly has ALWAYS talked smack about the Skins and Joe. I personally think he hates Snyder and loves to undermine everything about him. Pastabelly is a fat slob!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

2004 was a bad year.

2005 was magical. If Rogers picks that off he's in the endzone and maybe we're in the championship game. That team knocked the Seahawks around all day long. We just didn't get it done on offense.

2006 was a total dud. I blame the coaches for this year. After Brunell failed in 2005 playoffs he should have been eliminated from the starting line up. Way too many coaching mistakes. If Joe wasn't Joe Gibbs he would have been fired after this season.

I have confidence that they have learned from their mistakes and adjusted to Al Saunders. Anything less than the playoffs is a failure and Joe needs to go. Its do or die time. Joe Gibbs had the balls to come back! Unlike the Tuna who gets no heat for that bail out move.

Pastabelly has ALWAYS talked smack about the Skins and Joe. I personally think he hates Snyder and loves to undermine everything about him. Pastabelly is a fat slob!

Are you agreeing with Len or bashing him?

I really can't tell.

[JDALY27]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Are you agreeing with Len or bashing him?

I really can't tell.

What is your opinion of Joe Gibbs and the Redskins performance over the past three years? I don't like Len but I really hate 5-11.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JDALY27

What is your opinion of Joe Gibbs and the Redskins performance over the past three years? I don't like Len but I really hate 5-11.

My opinion of Gibbs the coach? Delegate less. Do more. Honestly, the team is in good hands from a coaching standpoint.

The 5-11? Better luck next year.

We lost games we shouldn't have. I dwelled on the Minnesota loss for about 7 weeks, and then gave up. If we couldn't beat Minnesota at home on opening day, we weren't going very far. Tenessee did us in.

We could have won a lot more games than we did, so ya know, whatever. Next season is right around the corner.

[GusFrerotte]

If we do not make a real run this season, Coach will probably step down. We have a weaker schedule and our division is rather pathetic overall. Brunell was the weak link in 2004, late in 2005 and all of 2006, but if JC flounders, it might mean that the rebuilding will take longer than what we had hoped. My main concern is not just the JC might flounder, but that if we do have another subpar year we will lose a lot of solid performers who will probably throw in the towel and we are back to square one with trying to fill in large holes.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We lost games we shouldn't have. I dwelled on the Minnesota loss for about 7 weeks, and then gave up. If we couldn't beat Minnesota at home on opening day, we weren't going very far.

Man, I agree with you there. That Viking loss at home really set the tone for the season. It's as if they were all still locked in preseason mode -- they came out and played like zombies.

While the run defense in that game was solid -- I think Minnesota was held to around 3 yards per rush or less, -- what really stood out was zero QB pressure on Brad Johnson whom we harassed in '04 in the opening game against the Bucs. It was at that point where our secondary and pathetic pass rush was exposed. When the season wore on, Griff and Salave'a got more and more winded and nicked up.

That's a testament to old age setting in with football players. Instead of getting stronger, our D-tackles just took beating after beating and got weaker. I can't think of a better case to make as to why the defensive tackle position should be the key issue that needs to be addressed this offseason.

I hope it happens with the draft - because thusfar, the front office has shown little interest in picking up help for the front four. It's all been linebackers and the secondary so far.

[brent]

Joe Gibbs wins the SB at least once every 4 years. By my watch, its only been 3. He may need a 5th year because the QB is too green.

[NoviSkins]

Daseal,
It's now time for you to stop posting in this forum. I don't post very often, but your lack of respect for JOE GIBBS has compelled me. The man built our entire legacy, and brought us back to the playoffs in his second stint. If I ever see you in public...I am going to find your mother and force my dog's down her mouth. Pick another team bitch.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by NoviSkins

Daseal,
It's now time for you to stop posting in this forum. I don't post very often, but your lack of respect for JOE GIBBS has compelled me. The man built our entire legacy, and brought us back to the playoffs in his second stint. If I ever see you in public...I am going to find your mother and force my dog's down her mouth. Pick another team bitch.

I disagree nearly 100% with what Daseal opines about Gibbs. But he's entitled to his opinion, and he's never acted disrepectfully toward anyone here when expressing his opinion.

Your post was way way out of line. You owe Daseal and everyone else who had to read that an apology. Apologize or find somewhere else to go.

[offiss]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Here’s a write up as to why I don’t trust Gibbs, in the current arangement to turn the skins back into a winner. First of all, let me say I think this is his last year regardless. If he does poorly I think he’s done in the NFL, and if he does well I think he’ll hand over the reigns and it will look as if he righted the franchise, only time would tell if that’s the case. Every year I hear how the Redskins will either a) Go to the playoffs; b) go far in the playoffs; c) Win the Superbowl. Every year I’m skeptical, every year, except this one I buy in. Last year I thought we’d get a wildcard spot in the playoffs and maybe win one game. I was just as far off as most other people, but I refuse to buy the hype anymore.

I think Joe Gibbs has a few major problems as a coach in this era. I feel he hasn’t yet adjusted, and at this point I’m not sure if he will. It doesn’t all have to do with coaching, but I will explain all of my points below.
1) Joe Gibbs lacks the killer instinct. He fails miserably in finishing teams. How many times have we had a lead, run it three times up the middle, punted, and lost the game? The answer is far too many. I’m not saying go balls to the wall in that situation. High percentage passes, mix up the runs, attempt to get the first down. If we don’t give them the ball back, they don’t have a chance. Often times by that point our defense is exhausted from being on the field the whole time.
2) Joe Gibbs in the front office. This doesn’t just go on Joe Gibbs, I don’t feel any coach should have these responsibilities. While some coaches pull it off (such as Andy Reid) the vast majority of coaches can’t. I simply think being a head coach is enough work without having to worry about overseeing scouting, player acquisition, etc. This isn’t to say the coaches shouldn’t be involved in some sense, but most of the work should go to a GM or whatever system the FO sets up.
3) Too willing to give away draft picks like candy. We’re constantly trading up and acting like draft picks are worth nothing. While I think you can often get a very solid veteran for a reasonable draft pick and often it’s a good deal, I’m much more concerned with the fact that we’re constantly trading up in the draft. For instance, do we really feel that trading up for Rocky was worth it? Unless we felt he was a real impact player, then we should have held fast. Even worse than that is how we seem to always give up more than we have to when it comes to trading.

As far as what I think of Gibbs proving something to me. That means consistency from year to year. I’d like to see us build on success from a previous year. We went from a solid regular season finish in 2005, but we came into 2006 flat and never got it together. I put this on Joe Gibbs. I find many of his decisions questionable both in games and when it comes to other facets of the game.

Yes, keep harping on my age. You can be 85 years old and still not know anything about football. I’ve never claimed myself an expert, and I often have strong opinions that people don’t agree with. However, I’m also right more often than I am wrong. I feel that the only thing I remember from Gibbs’ first stint is how much candy 200 bucks buys from winning the pool for vs the Bills is an asset. I’m not blinded by what he did in the past. I’m taking nothing away from what Gibbs did back in his hay day, but it’s a new era and you can’t take a man who has been out of the league for 11 years and act like his resume just continues without a hiccup.

Trust me, I hope more than anyone else that I’m wrong. But I don’t feel Gibbs relates to athletes anymore. He seems like the senile old grandfather when they go into the locker room and show footage. I’m worried he doesn’t connect with the players, and I feel he doesn’t use players correctly. If Gibbs has a great season next year, feel free to bring this thread back up and I’ll eat crow. However, I don’t expect that to be the case.

Had to back track after seeing the post slamming you by noviclown, but as usual your pretty much dead on, I wonder if noviclown is Joe Gibbs secret screen name?