Let's impeach the president.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, yes and no, but they just don't know any better. 95%+ of Americans are lazy and are easily persuadable. They don't like the fact that we are overseas fighting, (honestly who does?) and the Dems screaming "Bush lied" when it's not true, persuades them to take an even more aggressive stance. Dems cause problems, and offer NO solutions. Sorry if that is offensive.
At no time in history has one group of people agreed with sending troops overseas. There are always those that disagree with it. WW1, WW2 had a lot of people that didn't agree with it, but does that mean that we should have backed out? Absolutely not.
I'm sorry, but the Iraq mission is not done. I would never teach my kids to quit something they started because it got tough, and I appreciate the fact that we (USA) won't finish until the job is done, and we were flat out told that! There is absolutely no point in backing out now when the likely scenario would be that Iraq would fall back into their old ways and that makes all the lives lost all for not. So unless you can guarentee Iraq has changed for the best and won't go back to where they were, then we're not done.

Why do we care if Iraq gets better or not? 87% of HS kids can't put it on the globe. Damn 17% can't place the US on the globe. The job will never be done man!!!!!!!! The Iraqis will fight on and on and on to get us out of there. Everywhere we intervene ends up worse off than before we messed with it. It is pretty sad when average Iraqis will look back to the Saddam regime as the "good old days". The war was based on a lie from day one, so why can't we just leave? We left Vietnam and it was a total disaster. Did the world end when the Commies took Saigon in '75? Iraq didn't have anything to do with 9/11 and we were good buddies with Hussein til April Glaspie in the summer of 1990 told Saddam we wouldn't do anything if he used force against the Kuwaitis, who were slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields
Every war this nation has fought since 1898 was based on one big damn lie that got us worked up in a war frenzy.

Spanish Amer War 1898: USS Maine supposedly sabotaged by Spain, but investigation blames design flaw that put gunpowed close to the boiler room. No sabotage, but the incident was enough to start a war before the investigation was even started.

World War I: A dumbass war fought by a bunch of intermarried arisocratic dynasties who were having a big family spat using millions of the little people as pawns. Christian Europe was essentially destroyed because of this stupidity and replaced with facism and communism, setting up the next war as we totally humiliated Germany, who in reality was only just as culpable as starting the whole thing as England, France, or Russia. This made damn sure Hitler would be an attractive candidate when Weimar was failing during the Depression. The lie in this was Wilson making it out to be some damn crusade for democracy, human rights, etc. Yeah it turned out pretty good didn't it.

World War II: Horrible sequel to the first dumbass world war, except that contrary to what he publicly said FDR always wanted it. Read Day of Deceit and New Dealer's War. FDR did everything in his power, even violating Neutrality Laws, to corner both Japan and Germany in a major war. THis is the only war of the lot that can have any degree of justification because of the belligerence of the axis, but our govt's actions didn't help matters either.

Korea: Atchinson excludes S Korea from the US Pacific Defense perimeter, giving the Reds the green light to invade. 3 years later th war ends exactly where it began at the 38th parallel, but with almost 40,000 American troops dead, just because some guy either deliberately, or accidently left S Korea off the table as an American interest.

Vietnam: Gulf of Tonkin incident never happend, but an inexperinced sonar guy thinks his ship is being attacked. Even though the US commander on the spot radioed that it was a false alarm, LBJ used it to get us involved in Vietnam. Yet another lie or misleading statement/non statement, this time over 50,00 US troops lose their lives. Vietnam fell eventually and did not affect US National Security

Gulf War I: Read above about April Glaspie. Saddam was our bulwark against the Islamic Revolution. He shot the crazy bastards, including AL Qaeda. Taking him out just let the crazies loose and now we are in one horrible bind.

Gulf War II: Bush lied about everything. Iraq could be swallowed up into hell and it would effect the US very little, but a ton of no bid private contractors are making a frigging killing off of this, not to mention Blackwater and their mercenary army.


Moral of the story? Maybe we should just worry about our own damn nation for a change and quit intervening in these 3rd world hellholes that do not have any impact either way on US National Security. We have too many problems here at home that need to be addressed. Also if you know you made a mistake are you going to continue making that mistake and letting things get worse? If we stay in Iraq things are only going to get worse. The Iraqis are going to fight forever to get us out of there. It is there country, their homes, their lives. Who are we to interfere in that? IF the Sunnis and Shiites start a civil war, that is their matter isn't it? Does it affect US National Security if Sunnis and Shiites are killing each other 10,000 miles from the US?