Remembering Our Local Fallen Heroes Thread

[RobH4413]

I'm very glad to hear that. I wasn't referring to you specifically when saying "do something"..., but good for you. There needs to be more people being proactive about this.

So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

I'm very glad to hear that. I wasn't referring to you specifically when saying "do something"..., but good for you. There needs to be more people being proactive about this.

So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.

Hey, yer remembering these are smart kids making a choice to serve or not to serve and they earn our love and support.

I have two sons serving right now so I'm sorry to some folks but it's personal to me andworth 3 months to argue back for our President and Country.

peace

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.

That's pretty sad. If people are so easily-influenced or just ignorant of history that news reports and career politicians can make them so unthankful of what's been done and sacrificed for them...well, that's just sad and pathetic.

War is not a political issue. When it is made into one, the freedom that it provides for us and other nations is forgotten.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by RobH4413

So many people (including myself) tend to get this glazed over look when anything soldier or war related comes up.

I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.

~just shakes head and walks away

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

~just shakes head and walks away

SBF, you have to realize when threads like this come up it stirs up a lot of emotions, including anger and blame. Any thread that involves political issues is bound to stir up this sort of discussion in today's divided america.

Regardless, God bless the fallen and their families.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Sammy Baugh Fan

~just shakes head and walks away

That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death.

I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough.

However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

That's exactly how I feel when I see our soliders being sent to an early and pointless death.

I have total and complete respect for our soliders. I cannot express that enough.

However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war.

If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.

People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war".

Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality.

I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them.

It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them.

If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them.

Sorry if the truth hurts.



This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute.

To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests.

Keep up the great work SBF.

If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom.

If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom.

Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Buster

If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.

People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war".

Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality.

I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them.

It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them.

If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them.

Sorry if the truth hurts.



This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute.

To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests.

Keep up the great work SBF.

If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom.

If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom.

Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.

But Buster, by you taking this very stance on the issue, indeed, further makes it a political thread. I think people are torn on the issue of war. It has split the nation. In fact, it's splitting Congress and the Senate as we speak. We have policy makers that backed Bush at the beginning, who are now getting hammered by their constituants back home, and they're now re-thinking the merrits, if any, of continuing on in Iraq.

They no doubt still honor and support the troops, but the mission itself has, in fact, become a thorn in the side of this country. This is where we are, sadly.

I'll say this, anytime you bring up President Bush's name, I don't care what the contex or the the title or intention of the thread, I'll guarantee you that it will stir some very heated responses.

[BigSKINBauer]

Originally Posted by Buster

If you don't support what the troops are doing, you're not really supporting them.

People think they can justify themselves by saying the bumper-sticker phrase, "I support the troops but not the war".

Do these people REALLY support the troops? What have you personally done to show them? I've sent phone cards to soldiers so they can call their families...bought them dinner when they return, sent care packages, supported charities that directly help them...THAT is supporting the troops. Words are nice but they don't do much in reality.

I'm not bashing you directly, Matty...but so many people can rant and rave about the war and add "but I support the troops" to the end and think they're right because of it. If you don't show support to them or don't stand behind their missions...you don't really support them.

It's like saying "I follow the law" and then don't pay your taxes because you disagree with them.

If you don't support what the troops live and die for...the jobs they sacrifice and dedicate their lives to...you don't really support them. You can't hate what they believe in (right now it's fighting terrorists and removing governments who support them), then they won't see what you mean when you say you "support" them. Our brave soldiers support their leaders, so if you say you don't...you're disagreeing with everything our troops are fighting for and therefore can't say you support them.

Sorry if the truth hurts.



This thread is NOT the place to talk about your feelings towards the President and to have a political debate. It's meant to be a memorial and a tribute.

To come in and say something like " However I have ZERO respect for the decision makers who have gotten us into this huge cluster-F of a war." is like playing Cindy Sheehan or that Westboro Baptist "church" and interrupting a funeral with protests.

Keep up the great work SBF.

If mods or anyone else is upset about my ranting and passion on this...I don't apologize. I DO support our troops and I'll fight for their good name when they're away fighting for my freedom.

If we ever had the current popular attitude and the treasonous media and politicians during other wars, we'd be a third-world communist nation today. Look what the once rich and powerful Soviet Union has disintegrated to...because they didn't stand up and fight for their rights and freedom. The Chinese let their government take care of them and they avoid conflicts, but, they have no freedom.

Those who have and still do fight and die to keep us free think the price is worth it. So do I.

Yes, what you are doing, the care packages, letters, and food is supporting the troops. It is more than i can say i am doing and more than most people do. That is a great thing. But, the fact that you agree or disagree with the war does not in any way affect your supporting the troops. If someone was completely against what is happening but still did the same amount of work you are doing, they are still supporting the troops as much as you do.

How can you say that people who are against the actions of the leaders of this country are against the troops. All of them, only wish that the soldiers get out safely and moreso that they get out as soon as possible. Why do you think that many people want the war to end? Its because we SUPPORT THE TROOPS and don't want to see any more blood lost for issues that we don't agree with. Saying that we are against the soldiers because we don't agree with the decisions that our leaders are making is a horrible and extremely illogical thing to say.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BigSKINBauer

Yes, what you are doing, the care packages, letters, and food is supporting the troops. It is more than i can say i am doing and more than most people do. That is a great thing. But, the fact that you agree or disagree with the war does not in any way affect your supporting the troops. If someone was completely against what is happening but still did the same amount of work you are doing, they are still supporting the troops as much as you do.

How can you say that people who are against the actions of the leaders of this country are against the troops. All of them, only wish that the soldiers get out safely and moreso that they get out as soon as possible. Why do you think that many people want the war to end? Its because we SUPPORT THE TROOPS and doen't want to see any more blood lost for issues that we don't agree with. Saying that we are against the soldiers because we don't agree with the decisions that our leaders are making is a horrible thing to say.

Well F'in said. I'll bow out on that note. Sorry for getting this thread sidetracked SBF, but I think unfortunately it's just the nature of this beast. It's hard to discuss one side without the other coming up.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I think that's a valid point. I think a lot of us are just numb to this stuff by now. I hope Bush can sleep at night knowing he has the blood of our finest on his hands.

THIS STUFF?

I wonder what you would've said during the American Revolution, War of 1812, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, etc...they were REALLY "quagmires".




THIS STUFF is what gives you the freedom to disagree with the government without being put in a gas chamber or just being beheaded or shot.

No one likes war, even our troops...but if you like freedom, you better stand behind our troops and realize that if we don't fight for our freedom, we'll lose it.

If PRESIDENT Bush has "blood on his hands", so does every single member of Congress who voted to go to war against our enemies. EVERY single one of them voted, whether they've had the integrity to stand behind their vote or not.

It's pathetic how people can let their hatred for one man override their will to do what's good for the nation.

I'm probably wasting time on this post, because some people don't form their views based on right and wrong...they base them on right and left.

SBF...keep up the noble and honorable posts you're making. If they ALL get overrun by politics or just the popular hobby of "Bush-bashing", it's all worth it if one of our troops sees the thread and sees that not everyone is against them.