Mike Williams Cut by Raiders

[Stacks42]

[quote=skinsfan_nn;371922]He's not OR never was a randy moss talent! Trashbag![/quote]

My point was.. Everyone said that R. Moss was done, he had lost a step. Well everyone was wrong. If given the right opportunity a player with great talent can excel in this league. Is there any doubt that M. Williams has talent, I doubt it. I think he lacks concentration, and motivation. With "the best coaches in the league" shouldnt we be able to get the the most out of this guy? At least a WR that is over 6 ft and under 30 wold be on our team, as a decoy if not a contributor. You can't debat the fact that beyond Moss and El, our WR is pretty mediocre.

And by the way, I hope that wasnt a personal insult.

[dgack]

That's just CRAZY talk!

Besides, he's never done anything.

I mean, besides the 2500 yards and 30 TD's he caught in his first two years at USC, but who looks at college stats?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

That's just CRAZY talk!

Besides, he's never done anything.

I mean, besides the 2500 yards and 30 TD's he caught in his first two years at USC, but who looks at college stats?

More importantly, who CARES about college stats? Explain exactly how those stats are relevant to a league where every CB is so fast that in order to beat him, your QB needs to get the ball out of his hands BEFORE you make your cut?

Williams is a HORRIBLE route runner. Yes he's big. Yes he has good hands. Yes, his speed is solid. But he has proven to be lazy in the NFL; his route-running has not improved one iota. Just like Brandon Lloyd, QBs simply can't count on him to be where he's supposed to be when running a route. In an Al Saunders system based on timing, Williams would be a disaster.

This isn't college. You can't simply go one-on-one like Palmer and Leinart say; you can't just toss the ball up and let him go get it, because safeties will get there. This is the NFL, where speed is paramount.

I didn't think this idea needed any serious analysis, because everybody and their brother knows that Mike Williams has been a disaster at the NFL level (coming to camp way out of shape in Detroit ring a bell??).

But anyway, there you have it, genuine thought. Now can we lock this thread down, because it has entered the realm of the retarded.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

More importantly, who CARES about college stats? Explain exactly how those stats are relevant to a league where every CB is so fast that in order to beat him, your QB needs to get the ball out of his hands BEFORE you make your cut?

Williams is a HORRIBLE route runner. Yes he's big. Yes he has good hands. Yes, his speed is solid. But he has proven to be lazy in the NFL; his route-running has not improved one iota. Just like Brandon Lloyd, QBs simply can't count on him to be where he's supposed to be when running a route. In an Al Saunders system based on timing, Williams would be a disaster.

This is a good argument, because our "burners" and precise route runners are currently rocking the house in the Al Saunders system based on timing.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

This isn't college. You can't simply go one-on-one like Palmer and Leinart say; you can't just toss the ball up and let him go get it, because safeties will get there. This is the NFL, where speed is paramount.

Another good argument. It's true that the small, fast receiver has really taken the NFL by storm and tall, strong receivers don't succeed at hauling down jump balls anymore.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I didn't think this idea needed any serious analysis, because everybody and their brother knows that Mike Williams has been a disaster at the NFL level (coming to camp way out of shape in Detroit ring a bell??).

Agreed. Detroit and Oakland have some of the better player development records in the league and they are the finer examples of barometers of whether someone can make it in the NFL or not.

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But anyway, there you have it, genuine thought. Now can we lock this thread down, because it has entered the realm of the retarded.

I'm truly sorry it didn't meet your expectations. All of us who posted in it will try harder next time to be better fans.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

This is a good argument, because our "burners" and precise route runners are currently rocking the house in the Al Saunders system based on timing..

Lately, this has more to do with pressure in Campbell's face because of our terrible patchwork offensive line.

Originally Posted by dgack

Another good argument. It's true that the small, fast receiver has really taken the NFL by storm and tall, strong receivers don't succeed at hauling down jump balls anymore.

Size doesn't matter. Steve Smith is doing quite well for himself. Randle-El was having a tremendous season before Rabach got hurt and we became vulnerable up the middle to pressure.

Originally Posted by dgack

Agreed. Detroit and Oakland have some of the better player development records in the league and they are the finer examples of barometers of whether someone can make it in the NFL or not.

I don't understand how taking the trash cast off from two of the crappier teams in the league makes us better. I know there are stories of guys getting cut from one team, and then catching on with another and tearing it up. But honestly, how often does that happen? For every guy who makes it big with a change of scenery, how many simply get cut and never picked up again? Does the fact that he's a former first rounder change the probability that he'll be any good for us? I don't think so.

[Rajmahal33]

I disagree strongly that the Tall WR is not as important now with the emergence of the smaller WRs...I think its the direct opposite. The tall WR's are harder to come by and the teams that do have good tall ones are using the hell out them. Reggie Wayne, Randy Moss, TO and Crayton, and Plaxico Burress are on 4 of the top 5 teams in the NFL right now and they are all pretty dominant. In addition if u look at the receiving leaders in the NFL right now 14 out of 15 are taller than 6 feet and most are well over that mark
1. Randy Moss - 6'4"
2. Chad Johnson - 6'1" with excellent leaping ability
3. Braylon Edwards - 6'3"
4. Reggie Wayne - 6'2"
5. Larry Fitzgerald - 6'3"
6. Antonio Gates - 6'4"
7. TJ Housh - 6'1"
8. Wes Welker - 5'9"
9. Jerricho Cotchery - 6'
10. Kevin Curtis - 6'
11. Torry Holt - 6'
12. Plaxico burress - 6'5"
13. Joey Galloway - 6'
14. Terrell Owens - 6'3"
15. Jason Witten - 6'5"


Im not saying that Williams should be signed or would make any difference even if he was, but it would be nice to have a big body to throw to in goal line situations and since JC throws "such a nice long ball".

[Rajmahal33]

Originally Posted by dgack

Another good argument. It's true that the small, fast receiver has really taken the NFL by storm and tall, strong receivers don't succeed at hauling down jump balls anymore.

I'm sorry but this just isn't true. In addition to the receiving stats i just posted here are some numbers for receiving TD's. The top 5 in this category is as follows:

1. Randy Moss - 6'4"...11 TD's
2. Braylon Edwards - 6'3"...9 TD's
3. TJ Housh - 6'1"...9 TD's
4. Plaxico burress - 6'5"...8 TD's
5. Dallas Clark - 6'3"...6 TD's
and if u look further down the list in the top 40 only Wes Welker, Steve Smith and Laveraneus Coles (5'11") are under 6 feet.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

I'm sorry but this just isn't true. In addition to the receiving stats i just posted here are some numbers for receiving TD's. The top 5 in this category is as follows:

1. Randy Moss - 6'4"...11 TD's
2. Braylon Edwards - 6'3"...9 TD's
3. TJ Housh - 6'1"...9 TD's
4. Plaxico burress - 6'5"...8 TD's
5. Dallas Clark - 6'3"...6 TD's
and if u look further down the list in the top 40 only Wes Welker, Steve Smith and Laveraneus Coles (5'11") are under 6 feet.

I know, I was being sarcastic.

[Rajmahal33]

sorry didn't catch that over the text, dgack

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

More importantly, who CARES about college stats? Explain exactly how those stats are relevant to a league where every CB is so fast that in order to beat him, your QB needs to get the ball out of his hands BEFORE you make your cut?

Williams is a HORRIBLE route runner. Yes he's big. Yes he has good hands. Yes, his speed is solid. But he has proven to be lazy in the NFL; his route-running has not improved one iota. Just like Brandon Lloyd, QBs simply can't count on him to be where he's supposed to be when running a route. In an Al Saunders system based on timing, Williams would be a disaster.

This isn't college. You can't simply go one-on-one like Palmer and Leinart say; you can't just toss the ball up and let him go get it, because safeties will get there. This is the NFL, where speed is paramount.

I didn't think this idea needed any serious analysis, because everybody and their brother knows that Mike Williams has been a disaster at the NFL level (coming to camp way out of shape in Detroit ring a bell??).

But anyway, there you have it, genuine thought. Now can we lock this thread down, because it has entered the realm of the retarded.

I agree with most of what you sadi except that you just can't throw the ball up and let him go get it because this is the NFL. I see this done in the NFL every week. Not saying him but that it is done all the time.