AP Article: Redskins offense back to square one!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by saden1

Not with our bloody offense! They were totally exposed for the frauds they are. The defense was banged up (no Smoot, no Rogers, no McIntosh, and banged up Washington) and even if everyone on defense was healthy that shitty Skins offense couldn't sustain a drive (the Pats had the ball for 37:49).


No my friend, if we played them again I highly doubt the score would be any different.

I have to disagree there Saden, if we played them again it would be worse, Belichik would be out to teach Gibbs a lesson for not shacking his hand!:smashfrea

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Dude I'm fine. Mheisig always seems to go out of his way to attack me. Calling me a crack head and a loser and what not.

Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"?

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"?

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.

I don't know what the hell he's talking about either.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by offiss

I have to disagree there Saden, if we played them again it would be worse, Belichik would be out to teach Gibbs a lesson for not shacking his hand!:smashfrea

Huh? Looks like a hand shake to me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Huh? Looks like a hand shake to me.

He didn't say shake his hand. He said shack his hand...whatever that means. Learn to read Matty

[He Hate Me]

I've got an idea! Let the offensive coordinator who has called plays in the past 15 years make the calls and call the game! Gibbs, should stay on as the spiritual advisor and let the expensive coordinators call the games! Enough is enough! Snyder has to wonder why his payroll is so high on the coaching end if these guys aren't even calling the game.

[redsk1]

The article makes me feel a little bit better. At least we know we're pathetic at the moment. There's still time to improve and who knows.

How much better would our D be if we actually had an above average offense? Alot better.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

But don't you think we should be a little closer than what the score indicated? Or do you think we just had an off day?

What difference would a little closer have made? Would you have felt better if it was 52-28?

Honestly I was surprised that our D wasn't able to do anything. I think that speaks volumes as to how far ahead of the pack the Patriots are right now when they can destroy a top 5 defense.

I knew the Skins would lose, I just didn't think the defense was going to be worthless.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?

Jeez now we're tossing Bugel under the bus?

Nobody is safe when you're 4-3 I guess.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Could you please point out one thread or post on this entire site where I have referred to you (or anyone for that matter) as a "crack head and a loser"?

I thought we were engaging in intelligent debate. Flat out making shit up about what I've said is ridiculous and crossing the line.

I am very sorry. I got you mixed up with another person in the BB thread. Everybody was pileling on me cause I defended what he did and I got you mixed up with the person who started the thread. Again I'm very sorry.

[Green1]

Gibbs has to admit he made a mistake by bringing in AL. Gibbs is a great coach and offensive mind. Let AL go prove himself somewhere else. If you have the 11th ranked offense in the league why would you change. Mistake. 2004 was only the second year of Gibbs return which means the team was just getting comfortable with the offense. Colts have had the same offense for years that why it is so good. Ok Manning has something to do with that but Gibbs offense is QB friendly. 3 different QBs 3 rings. SAME OFFENSE.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

That's a fair point. Good post.

People often forget that Gibbs was originally known as a pass-first coach. Only with Riggins and the talent he had along the O-line did he finally decide to go smashmouth. Bottom line is that he adapted to the personnel that was given to him. Something he needs to do now.

Back in 1992, in the playoff game against Minnesota, there was a stat totalling all of the plays Gibbs had run since 1981. It was perfectly balanced, but with one more pass attempt than running attempt.

No one is suggesting giving up the run. Of course you have to try to run it. But sometimes the passing game can open up the running game. I don't think it would be out of the question to tilt the play selection to something like 55-60% pass to 40-45% run.

I don't think it would signal the apocalypse if they tried that.

Indeed, Gibbs 1.0 adjusted to personnel on hand (recall that he was a pass happy O-coordinator in SD) when he hitched the wagon to the Hoggs and Riggo. I believe that he has become too stubborn/blind to reality to adjust today. The smashmouth approach looks good on paper today when the O-line is intact. While I don't want an all-pass, all the time approach, becoming more unpredictable, using the passing game to set up the running game, using multiple spread formations, or going no huddle might not be a bad thing given the shorthanded O-line. I fear that if our running game becomes even more predictable, the results will decline even further in the 2nd half of the season with this personnel.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Sorry, but I've about had it with Joe Bugel and his "tough talk" about "our way or the Trailway".

Excuse me, Assistant Head Coach - Offense Joe, but you've been here for 4 seasons now and have had time to develop all the toughness and dedication you ought to need in your OL. The problem actually is that you managed to acquire/developonly four or five competent offensive linemen and when a couple of them got hurt you had nothing behind them who could get the job done. Oh, that happened in years past too so I guess you didn't learn from those experiences.

You are the legendary "Hog-Master". So, what great offensive lines have you actually developed in the last 15 years? I think the answer to that is zero.

Maybe - just maybe - the Hogs were great because there were at least 3 and maybe 4 outstanding talents on that line at the same time and just about any good line coach could have made them into a dominant unit. In your subsequent stops in the NFL - including your reincarnation here - the offensive lines have been sub-standard most of the time and marginally above average once in a while.

Maybe you should be one of the guys at the Trailways Terminal with bags in hand? Maybe you should be first in line?

Buges said something last year about this time like; "It's Joe's team and he's gonna run it how he wants" in reference to the running game. Seemed like a shot at Saunders. This year it's definitely a shot at the players. Maybe the overall problem is simply dissent and lack of discipline & respect for the coaches.

If there is a problem w/players, why does it take till the middle of the year for the coaches to react to it? Maybe Gibbs & Buges are just using the media to try & fire the team up.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mheisig

Actually, Matty, that was just a "silly stat line."

I docked myself a few reputation points for using that "silly stat line."

Shame on you.

Get outta here with those silly stats will ya?

[Chief X_Phackter]

Well I just want everyone to know that we are all together on this. If there's one thing I can say, it's that we are all together... all these guys are in this together. Together-ness is how we'll turn this thing around.

Together...