Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility?

sandtrapjack · 11-12-2007, 10:20 AM

With as many injuries as this team has sustained, the first thing that comes to mind is strength and conditioning. A properly conditioned player is better prepared to resist and return from injuries than one that is not.

If it were 2 or 3 injuries for the team I would not even suggest this. But c'mon this is just way way TOO many injuries for conditioning not to be considered part of the problem in one way or the other.

Should Hastings shoulder some of the blame? Should the strength and conditioning program be re-evaluated to prevent this in the future?

Dlyne8r · 11-12-2007, 10:25 AM

It certainly does seem more than coincidental that we've suffered so many injuries this season, but I'm not a professional trainer. Is it just bad luck or something? It'll be interesting to see what type of responses you get to this post.

12thMan · 11-12-2007, 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

With as many injuries as this team has sustained, the first thing that comes to mind is strength and conditioning. A properly conditioned player is better prepared to resist and return from injuries than one that is not.

If it were 2 or 3 injuries for the team I would not even suggest this. But c'mon this is just way way TOO many injuries for conditioning not to be considered part of the problem in one way or the other.

Should Hastings shoulder some of the blame? Should the strength and conditioning program be re-evaluated to prevent this in the future?

Sandy, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get on me when I started a thread on this not too long ago?

MTK · 11-12-2007, 10:43 AM

Not sure what you could do about yesterday, Thrash got rolled up on and I'm not sure what happened exactly to Taylor but a knee sprain is caused by some sort of trauma and is not a conditioning issue. Overall though all the groin issues are a concern and something the staff has been looking at.

sandtrapjack · 11-12-2007, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sandy, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get on me when I started a thread on this not too long ago?

You know, I really don't recall. But if you brought this up previously, and I discounted it, I apologize and retract any previous statements to the contrary.

Again if it were one of two little nagging injuries here and there that is one thing. But there are just too many of these injuries for this not to be considered.

It is one thing to have the injuries like Thrash or Taylor yesterday. But all of the little groins, hammys and contusions that are normally minimized with proper conditiong are taking a tremendous toll on this team.

I for one, would be hard pressed NOT to consider the conditiong program at one point or another.

Cowell · 11-12-2007, 11:03 AM

I agree, this is gone way beyond coincidence. This team obviously wasn't conditioned properly.

sandtrapjack · 11-12-2007, 11:17 AM

After thinking about it a little more, I will take this a step further.

Not only could these injuries be attributed to conditioning, but what about the teams recent inability to finish off opponents in the second half?

It is something like 7 of the last 9 games where Washington had the lead at halftime, they have lost those games in the second half?

Why? Well maybe the defense is not at the level of conditioning they should be and they are playing the second half tired? That is just another aspect of this issue. And maybe, just maybe it is a contributing factor.

rypper11 · 11-15-2007, 09:57 AM

Hate to agree w/ sandtrap but I think this is vastly overlooked by many people. I wouldn't blame Hastings but this is the one area I feel Gibbs has completely failed. Let everyone workout on their own during the offseason? I know the veterans applauded this move and felt that it made Gibbs more of a "players coach". Moss was a big proponent of this and stated that his offseason conditioning program was better and would help him more. How's that working out for him? I guess he'd be really screwed if he followed the team's regimen.
Now, I'm not the idiot that many people here think I am. I know that the injuries to Lloyd, Thrash, Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, Washington and others are not at all affected by conditioning. But the lingering strains, pulls and "tweaks" often are. Of Moss, ARE, Portis, Wade, Smoot and those that seem to have various muscle injuries I believe that at least some of it is an indication of poor conditioning.
Also, the late game swan dives do seem to indicate that other teams are better conditioned and not as physically exhausted in the 4th quarter.

chrisl4064 · 11-15-2007, 10:04 AM

when i think conditioning, i think hamstrings and groins first. any kind of muscle used for explosiveness in the legs. then i would also look into the cramping, which i havent seen a lot of. if the condidtioning problems are serious, expect the cold weather to effect this even more, we may be looking at a rough second half of the season with these injuries.

MTK · 11-15-2007, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by rypper11

Hate to agree w/ sandtrap but I think this is vastly overlooked by many people. I wouldn't blame Hastings but this is the one area I feel Gibbs has completely failed. Let everyone workout on their own during the offseason? I know the veterans applauded this move and felt that it made Gibbs more of a "players coach". Moss was a big proponent of this and stated that his offseason conditioning program was better and would help him more. How's that working out for him? I guess he'd be really screwed if he followed the team's regimen.
Now, I'm not the idiot that many people here think I am. I know that the injuries to Lloyd, Thrash, Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, Washington and others are not at all affected by conditioning. But the lingering strains, pulls and "tweaks" often are. Of Moss, ARE, Portis, Wade, Smoot and those that seem to have various muscle injuries I believe that at least some of it is an indication of poor conditioning.
Also, the late game swan dives do seem to indicate that other teams are better conditioned and not as physically exhausted in the 4th quarter.

It's worth noting that the year before when the players were required to work out with the team during the offseason we had our share of injuries as well.

squrrelco3 · 11-15-2007, 10:21 AM

I mentioned this in another thread a few weeks ago. Muscle pulls and tears usually result from a poor stretching program. One thing that kept Ray Brown going as long as he did was his ungodly flexibility. I think he said he used Pilates or something like that. Conditioning and bulk are great, but if the muscles are not flexible and stretched properly as part of your program, bad things are going to happen.

RobH4413 · 11-15-2007, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Sandy, correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't you get on me when I started a thread on this not too long ago?

I know I did...

The only reason I didn't think this was the case... is because (unless I'm wrong) his program has been consistent the past couple of years. He hasn't changed anything up... so it would seem illogical to blame him.

Even so, I think I'd change the routine now... Everybody is going down.

11-12-2007, 10:20 AM	#1
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? With as many injuries as this team has sustained, the first thing that comes to mind is strength and conditioning. A properly conditioned player is better prepared to resist and return from injuries than one that is not. If it were 2 or 3 injuries for the team I would not even suggest this. But c'mon this is just way way TOO many injuries for conditioning not to be considered part of the problem in one way or the other. Should Hastings shoulder some of the blame? Should the strength and conditioning program be re-evaluated to prevent this in the future?

11-12-2007, 10:25 AM	#2
Dlyne8r Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: W. Central Florida Posts: 581	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? It certainly does seem more than coincidental that we've suffered so many injuries this season, but I'm not a professional trainer. Is it just bad luck or something? It'll be interesting to see what type of responses you get to this post. __________________ Charmed your drug addled candor knows no bounds

11-12-2007, 10:43 AM	#4
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,568	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? Not sure what you could do about yesterday, Thrash got rolled up on and I'm not sure what happened exactly to Taylor but a knee sprain is caused by some sort of trauma and is not a conditioning issue. Overall though all the groin issues are a concern and something the staff has been looking at. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-12-2007, 11:03 AM	#6
Cowell Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Bluffton, South Carolina Posts: 803	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? I agree, this is gone way beyond coincidence. This team obviously wasn't conditioned properly.

11-12-2007, 11:17 AM	#7
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? After thinking about it a little more, I will take this a step further. Not only could these injuries be attributed to conditioning, but what about the teams recent inability to finish off opponents in the second half? It is something like 7 of the last 9 games where Washington had the lead at halftime, they have lost those games in the second half? Why? Well maybe the defense is not at the level of conditioning they should be and they are playing the second half tired? That is just another aspect of this issue. And maybe, just maybe it is a contributing factor.

11-15-2007, 09:57 AM	#8
rypper11 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 1,228	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? Hate to agree w/ sandtrap but I think this is vastly overlooked by many people. I wouldn't blame Hastings but this is the one area I feel Gibbs has completely failed. Let everyone workout on their own during the offseason? I know the veterans applauded this move and felt that it made Gibbs more of a "players coach". Moss was a big proponent of this and stated that his offseason conditioning program was better and would help him more. How's that working out for him? I guess he'd be really screwed if he followed the team's regimen. Now, I'm not the idiot that many people here think I am. I know that the injuries to Lloyd, Thrash, Jansen, Thomas, Rogers, Washington and others are not at all affected by conditioning. But the lingering strains, pulls and "tweaks" often are. Of Moss, ARE, Portis, Wade, Smoot and those that seem to have various muscle injuries I believe that at least some of it is an indication of poor conditioning. Also, the late game swan dives do seem to indicate that other teams are better conditioned and not as physically exhausted in the 4th quarter. __________________ Playing a kids game for a kings ransom.

11-15-2007, 10:04 AM	#9
chrisl4064 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Lake Travis, Texas Age: 43 Posts: 786	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? when i think conditioning, i think hamstrings and groins first. any kind of muscle used for explosiveness in the legs. then i would also look into the cramping, which i havent seen a lot of. if the condidtioning problems are serious, expect the cold weather to effect this even more, we may be looking at a rough second half of the season with these injuries.

11-15-2007, 10:21 AM	#11
squrrelco3 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Norfolk Age: 49 Posts: 429	Re: Should John Hastings shoulder some responsibility? I mentioned this in another thread a few weeks ago. Muscle pulls and tears usually result from a poor stretching program. One thing that kept Ray Brown going as long as he did was his ungodly flexibility. I think he said he used Pilates or something like that. Conditioning and bulk are great, but if the muscles are not flexible and stretched properly as part of your program, bad things are going to happen. __________________ I got nothin'

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