Why Tom Brady is a complete and utter d-bag and the Pats have no class

[ace2717]

Are you serious? We are still talking about running up the score?! This is the National Football League, ladies and gentlemen. This is not high school football. They are professionals on the field. IT IS THE DEFENSE'S JOB TO STOP THE OFFENSE! If they can't do it, then let the points keep coming. It is not the offense's responsibility to stop themselves.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

The gaffney catch was undoubtedly a catch. I think that was one where it looks slightly debatable when slowed down but if you watch it at full speed, there's really no question.

Regarding the safety making contact before the ball arrived: To me (and i haven't watched the replay this morning so maybe i am wrong) I thought the safety was making a play on the ball, in which case incidental contact is ok.

The other point is that the Pats got away with that physical db play for years, now they're undefeated and when a team plays them the way the pats play everyone else, it's called. I don't know, I didn't think that the ball was catchable anyway and I didn't think that needed to be called. My main point is even if it could have gone either way, I think it was pretty shady.

I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by htownskinfan

I didnt think it was a catch and I have backup,plus they answered my other question about the penalties,this from profootballtalk.com

The other complaint from Ravens fans is that on Brady's game-winning touchdown pass to Jabar Gaffney with 44 seconds left, Gaffney stepped out of bounds before he had possession. There, the Ravens appear to have a good case.

In 2005, Lions tight end Marcus Pollard caught a pass in the end zone that was ruled a touchdown on the field but overturned on replay because the referee ruled that Pollard had not controlled the ball. That call was later backed up by NFL head ref Mike Pereira, who told then-Lions coach Steve Mariucci that a receiver has to have control, not just have his hands on the ball. Gaffney had his hands on the ball but did not have control when he stepped out of bounds, meaning (to my eyes, anyway) that if the Pollard play was ruled correctly in 2005, the Gaffney play was ruled incorrectly last night.

Of course, thanks to Ravens linebacker Bart Scott going bonkos after Gaffney's touchdown and getting two personal foul penalties, the Patriots would have had first-and-goal at the 2-yard line if Gaffney's touchdown had been overturned. So the Patriots still would have had a very good chance of scoring the game-winning touchdown.

It was as plain as day that that was not a catch, no doubt what so ever, I find it sceptical that no one in the booth really jumped on it, and that it took a replay official about 2 seconds to rule it a catch, although I think they score as well because of the penalties that ensued. It seemed to me the NFL is making sure the Pats run the table, which is a shame because their more than capable of doing it without their help. Kind of reminiscent to the job done by the ref's on Seattle in the SB 2 seasons ago.

The fact that Gaffneys catch has not been more emphasized for the fact that a replay official had a perfect look at it and couldn't get it right, and everyone else brushing it aside, because lets face it that was a huge play given the circumstances involved, to me screams fix. Not that the Pats wouldn't or couldn't have done it any way, but they weren't about to take that chance.

Such a quick decision from the replay booth? I don't think they wanted to spend much time raising scepticism and more replays of the catch which would make it more difficult to sweep under the rug.

[GTripp0012]

I really think they should get rid of instant replay. I don't like having too much communication between the booth and the guys calling the game. People may say, "well, instant replay helps them get it right." To that, I say, so? The referee is always right. Whatever he rules is what occurred on the play. A lot less funny business would go on if the guys on the field would just use their judgment and there was no time to review plays, we just went with what they saw.

I'm sorry, instant replay totally changes the game of football and I think that's definately a negative. "Getting it right" is usually an excuse for being able to get it wrong initially. I don't want second guessing. I want one call, from the officials, and that becomes history. Too many times, instant replay totally changes a game. Getting it right or not, one team still gets screwed, as well as the fans.

I'm with John Madden on this one. Every play in football is about "was his knee down before the fumble?", "was his arm moving forward before it was hit?", "did he trap that one?" Who cares? If it looks like a fumble and smells like a fumble then it's a fumble. When the ground causes the fumble, the official knows right away and rules it down by contact, that never needs to be reviewed anyway. The location of a guy's knee has no bearing on the likeliness that he will cough up the ball. I hate cop outs.

[That Guy]

too much anger in the first post (i know i'm late to the party).

i think i agree with scowan that i would've gone for the onside, since there's no real downside and it'd run time off (keep three safeties deep in case there is a recovery and a run back, even though that never happens).

replay is here and it's not leaving, while hating it is a valid opinion, it's a definite minority and it's not going to change. IMO, replay is great and saves the league a lot of possibly embarrassing situations where ESPN replays terrible on field calls that were 100% wrong and cost teams games).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

It was as plain as day that that was not a catch, no doubt what so ever, I find it sceptical that no one in the booth really jumped on it, and that it took a replay official about 2 seconds to rule it a catch, although I think they score as well because of the penalties that ensued. It seemed to me the NFL is making sure the Pats run the table, which is a shame because their more than capable of doing it without their help. Kind of reminiscent to the job done by the ref's on Seattle in the SB 2 seasons ago.

The fact that Gaffneys catch has not been more emphasized for the fact that a replay official had a perfect look at it and couldn't get it right, and everyone else brushing it aside, because lets face it that was a huge play given the circumstances involved, to me screams fix. Not that the Pats wouldn't or couldn't have done it any way, but they weren't about to take that chance.

Such a quick decision from the replay booth? I don't think they wanted to spend much time raising scepticism and more replays of the catch which would make it more difficult to sweep under the rug.

Ok, I keep hearing that the NFL wants the Pats to win the SB. The Pats are not looked at by the public as a so called American team. They are far from that and very hard to market as they have a coach unliked in football and the team has that cheaters image on them. So can you give me any go reasons why the NFL would want (and by saying this stacking the cards against the other teams) the Pats to win the SB. Also to think this the NFL has to meet with the refs who do each of the Pats games to let them in on this little scam that you bring up.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Bully Worm

Its been an emotional week for everyone in the NFL as we mourn the death of Sean Taylor, I can't imagine what his family and friends must be going through. I know during this tragic time I shouldn't be hating so bad on somebody, but I feel it necessary to do so because this person is just an inconsiderate, self-centered, smug, snobby, degenerate... I could probably go on and on. I'm talking about Tom Brady.

Yes, he is a tremendous quarterback with all the tools to be considered one of the best. But in my mind and I think in many other people's minds, it takes more than just talent to be considered one of the best. Michael Vick has amazing talent as a quarterback as well, but in turn he is a foolish scumbag who brutally funds, gambles, and probably participated in the cruel fighting and execution of innocent dogs. Many agree that guys like Joe Montana, John Elway, Johnny Unitas, Brett Favre, Peyton Manning, etc., the list could go on and on, all have a lot of class along with being Hall Of Fame quarterbacks.

Tom Brady, on the other hand, to me has no class at all. He consistenly cries to the referees about possible phantom holds, push-offs, and all kinds of fouls. This so ironic because the Patriots got so many calls in tonight's game against the Ravens that it wasn't funny. Now the personal fouls after the winning touchdown were very unnessecary, but the other holding penalties could of been called at any time. The Patriots had 4 penalties for 30 yards, one false start that saved their game. The Ravens had 13 for 100 yards. Patriots played some near-perfect ball didn't they? It seems the refs gave the game to the pats. And then Belichek and brady have the nerve to say we fought our hearts out and our guys never gave up. Thats good to say if you weren't handed the game. And they also run the score up on people, remember the Redskins game not too long ago. I don't think any other coach in the nfl would ever of done that, they have some class. He might as well spit in Joe Gibbs face that night.

But you know what really makes me angry. I watched the Belichek and
Brady press conference's after the game and I swear I don't remember either of those pretentious fools saying anything about the trajedy that was the Sean Taylor murder. How freaking classless and selfish is that? It probably tops the board. You'd think the two highest regarded people at their position would try to build their image by at least making one little comment, but all they can talk about is how their team fought back. I remember tons of people who barely even knew Sean Taylor expressing their emotion and mourning his loss. But not perfect Belichek and Brady. It sickens me. I cant stand it.

I will tell everyone on this message board that I will be the biggest Jets, Bills, Dolphins, and Steelers fan when they play the patriots. I'll root for anyone who plays them, probably not the cowboys, as long as new england doesn't make the superbowl. I hope journalists who have more of an impact then me actually write something, be bold, do it on national tv. Look what imus did and he's back. I hope everybody roots against the selfish, classless, and cheating team as much as me. Oh yeah I forgot to mention the spygate deal. O well I'm tired of writing. I just felt I had to write this book (man it really is a book) to show my feelings.

Go Redskins, i'll root for you forever, Joe Gibbs you are still the man. RIP Sean Taylor. You in all of our hearts. My prayers go out to you family and friends.

I'm sure if they were asked about it, they would have made some nice comments like everyone else did.

You just hate them cause they win. This is getting so old.

[firstdown]

We now have three threads on the Pats and if you look only one other team shows up and thats the Bears who we play this week. If they were 7/5 or 8/4 and acting like they do no one would give it a minutes thought. I wish our team had something to be cocky about.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by Cowell

I was thinking last night while watching the game how stuck up the Patriots seem to be. There are many incidents and I could sit here for an hour at least telling you why they are all about a bunch of punks but I won't because we all know. I know I will continue to root against them the rest of the season and I would love to see pretty much anyone beat them.

Personally, I agree. Can't stand the Pats. Maybe that's just because they win, but I think it's because they are so flip and arrogant (taking the example of their coach obviously). I also don't really like the fact that Brady seems to whine so much to the officials, he looks like a World Cup footballer sometimes.

What really solidified my contempt for him was his answer to a question about getting stopped on that QB sneak on fourth and inches. He said that he heard the whistle and stopped, otherwise he would have picked up the first down. The reporters laughed as if he were joking, but he was totally serious. Just say you dodged a bullet douche.

Having said all that, the Ravens lost that game. The fix wasn't in. The holding call was legit, the Gaffney catch was close (I didn't think it was really a catch, but close and hard to overturn, the Pats might have scored on one of the next three plays anyway), they called the timeout when they could have won (contrary to Brady's BS), etc. Ravens outplayed the Pats and still managed to lose. Sound familiar?

If you are a Pats fan trolling the boards, please don't respond to me. I really don't care what you think. Go find your own board if you don't like it. I'm sure there are plenty of bandwagon riding folks out there who have started boards where you can fawn over Brady, go away. Being a Pats fan automatically discredits you and I cannot respect you until you prove otherwise. The fact that you probably live in New England doesn't help either (no offense SmootSmack, I guess it's ok to live in NE if you HAVE to ).

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Personally, I agree. Can't stand the Pats. Maybe that's just because they win, but I think it's because they are so flip and arrogant (taking the example of their coach obviously). I also don't really like the fact that Brady seems to whine so much to the officials, he looks like a World Cup footballer sometimes.

What really solidified my contempt for him was his answer to a question about getting stopped on that QB sneak on fourth and inches. He said that he heard the whistle and stopped, otherwise he would have picked up the first down. The reporters laughed as if he were joking, but he was totally serious. Just say you dodged a bullet douche.

Having said all that, the Ravens lost that game. The fix wasn't in. The holding call was legit, the Gaffney catch was close (I didn't think it was really a catch, but close and hard to overturn, the Pats might have scored on one of the next three plays anyway), they called the timeout when they could have won (contrary to Brady's BS), etc. Ravens outplayed the Pats and still managed to lose. Sound familiar?

If you are a Pats fan trolling the boards, please don't respond to me. I really don't care what you think. Go find your own board if you don't like it. I'm sure there are plenty of bandwagon riding folks out there who have started boards where you can fawn over Brady, go away. Being a Pats fan automatically discredits you and I cannot respect you until you prove otherwise. The fact that you probably live in New England doesn't help either (no offense SmootSmack, I guess it's ok to live in NE if you HAVE to ).

I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.

I really don't understand the hate on the Pats and, particularly, the hate for Tom Brady. Well, okay I can understand hating on the Pats, but I guess it doesn't bother me all that much. They're very good, and that's all there is to it. The league caught them and now they're giving the league the middle finger at every opportunity.

I think if Brady was so full of himself, you'd see him in as many commercials as Peyton Manning. Seems like people impose his celebrity status on him more than he takes advantage of it. I really think the dude cares less about talking to the media and such. During his interviews he doesn't come accross as being smug to me. Tony Romo, now he comes accross as being smug, but not Tom Brady. And truthfully, isn't Brady entitled to beat his chest a little every now and then? I mean here's a guy that was a sixth round draft choice, a lot of teams jumped over him and said this and that, and not until that past few seasons has he been in the discussion of being an elite QB like Manning. I think he's entitled to a little bravado as long as he keeps it professional, which he does, and keeps it real.

Personally, I've had it up to here with all this clean guy, good guy, "sportsmanship" BS the NFL is pushing. You tackle a guy too hard, it's unsportsmanlike conduct. You dip your helmet a little and accidentally hit the other guy's helmet, and now you're being a dirty player and can expect a ridiculous fine on Monday. It's absurd.

There's a part of me that wouldn't mind seeing the Pats lose in the first round of the playoffs just because and then there's a part that would just love to see Roger Goodall hand that damn Lombardi trophy to Belichick and Kraft in January.

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok, I keep hearing that the NFL wants the Pats to win the SB. The Pats are not looked at by the public as a so called American team. They are far from that and very hard to market as they have a coach unliked in football and the team has that cheaters image on them. So can you give me any go reasons why the NFL would want (and by saying this stacking the cards against the other teams) the Pats to win the SB. Also to think this the NFL has to meet with the refs who do each of the Pats games to let them in on this little scam that you bring up.

Its front page news, which is advertising dollars, no different than when baseball turned a blind eye on Pete Roses gambling during his hit streak trying to catch Dimaggio, baseball pulled him aside and told him to back off the gambling which he didn't, but because he was filling stadiums, and had every one glued to the TV the let it slide, so much for the integrity of the game.

Do you really think they have to tell a ref what they want? It's far to easy to control with the old wink and a nod. Don't under estimate the greed factor when big money is involved. Just take a look at basketball, that is not an isolated incident. I wont even get into boxing. The hierarchy of the NFL is about money not the thrill of competition unless that will make them more money.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I heard Brady say how lucky they got for them calling the time out and thats how it goes sometime in the NFL. Not sure what your watching.

Not that it matters much, but for the record, I was watching the actual press conference.

(On the Patriots' second chances)
"That's football. I've been in a lot of games on the other side. [There were] a lot of questionable calls out there, and you just keep playing and make plays when you need them. We made a lot of plays under pressure, and that's what we need down the stretch."


(On the fourth-and-one timeout by Baltimore)
"I heard the whistle blow and I stopped. I would've made the first down if the whistle didn't blow."


Tom Brady Press Conference - 12/3/2007

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by HOGTIMUS PRIME

Its front page news, which is advertising dollars, no different than when baseball turned a blind eye on Pete Roses gambling during his hit streak trying to catch Dimaggio, baseball pulled him aside and told him to back off the gambling which he didn't, but because he was filling stadiums, and had every one glued to the TV the let it slide, so much for the integrity of the game.

Do you really think they have to tell a ref what they want? It's far to easy to control with the old wink and a nod. Don't under estimate the greed factor when big money is involved. Just take a look at basketball, that is not an isolated incident. I wont even get into boxing. The hierarchy of the NFL is about money not the thrill of competition unless that will make them more money.

Whats Boxing. LOL Yes I think they would have to inform the Ref's if they wanted a team to get the wink and the nod. People are tire of the Pats winning the SB so to say the NFL wants them in would make no sense at all because it will turn more people off then two new teams playing. I joked about boxing but that is why boxing has fallen so far because it was so easy to rig. One person go to the other boxer and say here is $ take a dive in round 3 or 4. If your really believed the NFL was trying to fix the SB then why would you even watch football. The SB is known for boring games but still it rakes in the money so I don't think that it really matters who is playing and goes to show that they don't fix the games.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sure if they were asked about it, they would have made some nice comments like everyone else did.

You just hate them cause they win. This is getting so old.

AMEN BROTHER!
I agree. For a team that already has won three SB's and are seemingly on the way to win a fourth, they do not seem anymore very arrogant, smug or what ever the haters are saying as any of the other teams. Even Randy Moss has been quiet.
The past Cowboy SB teams were much more arrogant than these Patriots.

I remember seeing an NFL Films special on the Super Bowl between the Patriots and the Carolina Panthers. During the warm ups on the field a few of the big defensive lineman on the Panthers were talking trash and trying to get the Patriots to start a fight. All of the Pats players stayed quiet and kept saying to each other,' We will give it them up during the game.' and they did.
I like the way they handled themselves.