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The Free Market, price of gas, class warfare or socialism?

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Old 02-06-2008, 10:10 AM   #1
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Re: The Free Market, price of gas, class warfare or socialism?

More intelligent people have already made fine arguments for the positions I support:
a) price controls on gas are unworkable and would create havoc in the economy (and, of course, would create a HUGE bureacracy to enforce compliance); and

b) $.07 is an incredible amount of profit given the amount of gas consumed in a day by the US, that being approximately 9 Million Gallons a day. (This Week In Petroleum Gasoline Section). Alos for a breakdown of the costs that go into making gas see: Low profits mean gas station owners share your fueling pain (yes, I know it's an old article but you can see the various costs that go into the final cost of gas at the pump - and, please notice, that taxation is already a significant price inflator). Finally, remember, a lot of these oil companies own the downstream refining companies and I am not sure how this works into the $.07 profits.

One other point I'd like to address is the idea that all of a sudden we are going to be out of gas and/or we will end up with such expensive gas that it is simply not economical to use.

The REASON gas is in such high demand is precisely b/c it is an absolutely dirt cheap transportable fuel in comparison to anything else that is currently mass produced. As this ceases to be the case, competitive alternatives will be developed - Not overnight, but as the price escalates. Will there be a few bumps on the way? Sure. But trust that, even now, some innovator(s) is/are out there looking for a cheap way to mass produce and deliver cheap energy. At some point, quite literally, when the price is right, alternatives will be developed.
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The REASON gas is in such high demand is precisely b/c it is an absolutely dirt cheap transportable fuel in comparison to anything else that is currently mass produced. As this ceases to be the case, competitive alternatives will be developed - Not overnight, but as the price escalates. Will there be a few bumps on the way? Sure. But trust that, even now, some innovator(s) is/are out there looking for a cheap way to mass produce and deliver cheap energy. At some point, quite literally, when the price is right, alternatives will be developed.
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Re: The Free Market, price of gas, class warfare or socialism?

The state Senate here in Virginia has just voted to increase the gasoline tax by five cents over the next five years. This means that by 2014 the Commonwealth's "profit" on a single gallon of gas will be 22.5 cents (+2% sales tax in localities that are a part of the NoVa Transportation District). And that's just the state tax. The Federal gas tax is an additional 18.4 cents.

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The state Senate here in Virginia has just voted to increase the gasoline tax by five cents over the next five years. This means that by 2014 the Commonwealth's "profit" on a single gallon of gas will be 22.5 cents (+2% sales tax in localities that are a part of the NoVa Transportation District). And that's just the state tax. The Federal gas tax is an additional 18.4 cents.

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In fairness, the supply of gas to the public in a safe, uniform manner does involve some considerable expense by the government.
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In fairness, the supply of gas to the public in a safe, uniform manner does involve some considerable expense by the government.
I didn't realize the federal government was supplying gas to the public. I thought that, you know, the companies that discovered, extracted, transported, refined, and again transported fuel products were the ones that took that risk.

A better response would have been:

"In fairness, nearly all gasoline taxes are used to pay for highway improvements, so we are actually getting a decent bang for our buck for THESE tax dollars."
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