Ocho Cinco In B&G

sandtrapjack · 02-13-2008, 07:00 PM

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

Stuck in TX · 02-13-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

Hurts (given the Avatar) but I've gotta agree. the Washington Post reports that the Redskins are interested but they didnt say anything about Cincy being interested.

Longtimefan · 02-13-2008, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

All I want to know is: How you can begin talking contract with a player already under contract with another team? League rules do not permit that.

freddyg12 · 02-13-2008, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

It takes two to make a trade.
Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season.

If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap.

Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

hope you're right sand, but

1) don't put too much stock into what the bengals brass is saying, that's part of postering to gian leverage if they do deal him,
2) If I'm correct, can't a team agree to take on the cap hit in a trade? I know it's all subject to the individual deal, but I recall us & the Jets negotiating this when we traded coles for Moss. Ditto last year when we sent Arch to the Bears, they took some of the cap hit/bonus.

If you're right that it's an 8mil cap hit (what's yo source?) that might even be too much for the danny & his crack team of capologists to manoever around.

What about this scenario, CJ acts a fool during the season & the Bengals choose to deal him rather than keyshawn him. Wonder what the price would be then?

Tha Posse · 02-13-2008, 07:49 PM

Look like Dallas is already sweating at just the mention of us getting him, lol I love it. Anyway it sounds like CJ is pretty intent on wanting a trade, so if he wants out that badly I'm sure he can cook up some way of getting out of cincy. Wasn't it Briggs who vowed not to play in Chicago if he wasn't traded last year, and yes he did end up staying and playing. But I think CJ is the type that doesn't bluff. I hope we do get him, then we'll finally have a solid #2 in Moss. But I wonder if this pisses Moss off????

GusFrerotte · 02-13-2008, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by QBall

Is it just me or does IRISH hate the Skins? Its a fact you hate GIBBS

Why would he hate Gibbs or the Skins for saying he rather have Moss and want to develop draftees instead of overpriced FAs? I agree with Irish. Chad would rock here, but to get him we would have to give up some serious coin on top of some top notch draft selections. Can we please focus on building a consistent winner in DC? Instead of the knockout homerun with some explosive FA's, go for the saner approach of building a team with draft picks and maybe lower tie FA's. The high priced FA's of Snyder have been mostly mediocre or just plain busts. Also, when did the great Chad Johnson get the Bengals to the playoffs much less the SB? Carson Palmer has a rocket arm like JC so it is not like he doesn't have a QB. The answer is the Bumbling Bengals stink. We have too many glaring deficiencies with regards to many postions as well as depth in those positions. Chad Johnson most likely will just guarantee more sellouts for Mr. Snyder than getting him a Lombardi Trophy.

sandtrapjack · 02-13-2008, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

hope you're right sand, but

1) don't put too much stock into what the bengals brass is saying, that's part of postering to gian leverage if they do deal him,
2) If I'm correct, can't a team agree to take on the cap hit in a trade? I know it's all subject to the individual deal, but I recall us & the Jets negotiating this when we traded coles for Moss. Ditto last year when we sent Arch to the Bears, they took some of the cap hit/bonus.

If you're right that it's an 8mil cap hit (what's yo source?) that might even be too much for the danny & his crack team of capologists to manoever around.

What about this scenario, CJ acts a fool during the season & the Bengals choose to deal him rather than keyshawn him. Wonder what the price would be then?

Source is the dead money associated with Johnsons current contract in Cincy. The remainder of his pro-rated signing bonus through 2011 is about 8 mill. And as soon as he is traded all 8 mil counts against the Bengals cap.

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Originally Posted by The Posse

Look like Dallas is already sweating at just the mention of us getting him, lol I love it.

No not sweating it at all. What is there to sweat? Johnson would probably have better numbers in Cincinnati with a Pro Bowl QB in Palmer than he would with a QB who is changing offensive systems for, what, the 3rd time?
And who is still considered to be "developing"? Johnson's production will take a hit if traded to Washington.

SBXVII · 02-13-2008, 08:17 PM

Where there is a will there is a way. Especially with DS. I'm no capologist but I'm sure there is a way....possibly even agreeing to sign a new contract that is back loaded like DS likes then being traded to the Skins.

hagams · 02-14-2008, 09:32 AM

Wow....this thread is huge. I don't see it happening anymore. Cinncy seems to be sticking by the "He's not going anywhere" statement. I belive them. Also, as stubborn as Chad is, he would rather sit than get paid just to prove his point. Kinda like a new-age Barry Sanders?

MTK · 02-14-2008, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Longtimefan

All I want to know is: How you can begin talking contract with a player already under contract with another team? League rules do not permit that.

We did the same thing with Briggs. We had a deal in place ready to be signed before a trade fell through. I'm not sure of the specifics regarding any league rules, but discussing contract parameters does not seem to be against the rules if teams are discussing a trade.

MTK · 02-14-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

Well according to WP link that was posted awhile back, they were talking about getting rid of McCardell (Why???) and possibly Caldwell? (I'm not sure. I don't remember) That would leave room to draft a WR. Plus Espy might be back this season, correct?

McCardell is old and may retire.

Caldwell has knee issues.

GTripp0012 · 02-14-2008, 10:01 AM

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Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Source is the dead money associated with Johnsons current contract in Cincy. The remainder of his pro-rated signing bonus through 2011 is about 8 mill. And as soon as he is traded all 8 mil counts against the Bengals cap.

I would venture to say though that his Cap Number is between 6-8 million anyway, so obviously this wouldn't cripple the Bengals cap any more than Brandon Lloyd would ours.

killromo · 02-14-2008, 10:03 AM

Does anyone on here honestly think our first year head coach can come to our pressure cooker of a team, coach the team, help JC's progression AND deal with high maintenace chad johnson. The poor guy would most certainly be set up for failure. I like CJ, but he wouldn't be right for our team, wouldn't put up the numbers he's used to and become frustrated. We have too many chiefs, not enough indians. Javon walker is a more feasible candidate anyway. I feel for Zorn, i hope he has the biggest bottle of aspirin in the world to put up with danny's bullshit.

QBall · 02-14-2008, 10:49 AM

ESPN - Lewis says it again: Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere - NFL

Sorry guys I know you love to talk Chad Johnson but it aint gonna happen!!!!

MOVE ON TO NEW BS RUMORS.

sandtrapjack · 02-14-2008, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I would venture to say though that his Cap Number is between 6-8 million anyway, so obviously this wouldn't cripple the Bengals cap any more than Brandon Lloyd would ours.

The difference being that fans don't buy tickets to see Brandon Lloyd or buy his jersey. So Washington does not really make anything from his presence.

Johnson, on the other hand, sells jerseys and tickets which means millions of additional revenue for just being on the roster and on the field.

By dumping Lloyd, the Skins do not loose any fan revenue, because he does not exactly sell tons of fan merchandise.

By letting Johnson go not only does the Bengals take a substantial cap hit in dead money, but they would also loose some valuable fan revenue in addition to the cap hit.

Trust me there are more Chad Johnson Bengals jerseys being sold then there are Brandon Lloyd Redskins Jerseys.

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02-13-2008, 07:00 PM	#316
sandtrapjack The Starter Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 1,994	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G It takes two to make a trade. Washington may want to trade for CJ, but the Bengals want nothing to do with it. The Benglas have strongly denied anything regarding trading CJ. And they have stated that Johnson is under contract with them until 2011, and will remain under contract. Marvin Lewis has stated publicly that Johnson will NOT be traded, that he will play in Cincy next season. If the Bengals trade CJ, the Bengals will take an IMMEDIATE 8 mill dollar hit against their cap. Bengals will NOT trade Ocho-Cinco. He will be in a Bengals uniform next season.

02-13-2008, 07:49 PM	#320
Tha Posse Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hagerstown, MD Age: 44 Posts: 241	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G Look like Dallas is already sweating at just the mention of us getting him, lol I love it. Anyway it sounds like CJ is pretty intent on wanting a trade, so if he wants out that badly I'm sure he can cook up some way of getting out of cincy. Wasn't it Briggs who vowed not to play in Chicago if he wasn't traded last year, and yes he did end up staying and playing. But I think CJ is the type that doesn't bluff. I hope we do get him, then we'll finally have a solid #2 in Moss. But I wonder if this pisses Moss off????

02-13-2008, 08:17 PM	#323
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G Where there is a will there is a way. Especially with DS. I'm no capologist but I'm sure there is a way....possibly even agreeing to sign a new contract that is back loaded like DS likes then being traded to the Skins.

02-14-2008, 09:32 AM	#324
hagams Impact Rookie Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Beaufort SC Age: 46 Posts: 933	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G Wow....this thread is huge. I don't see it happening anymore. Cinncy seems to be sticking by the "He's not going anywhere" statement. I belive them. Also, as stubborn as Chad is, he would rather sit than get paid just to prove his point. Kinda like a new-age Barry Sanders? __________________ We are always superbowl contenders in March!!! HTTR!!!!!!!!

02-14-2008, 10:03 AM	#328
killromo Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 199	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G Does anyone on here honestly think our first year head coach can come to our pressure cooker of a team, coach the team, help JC's progression AND deal with high maintenace chad johnson. The poor guy would most certainly be set up for failure. I like CJ, but he wouldn't be right for our team, wouldn't put up the numbers he's used to and become frustrated. We have too many chiefs, not enough indians. Javon walker is a more feasible candidate anyway. I feel for Zorn, i hope he has the biggest bottle of aspirin in the world to put up with danny's bullshit.

02-14-2008, 10:49 AM	#329
QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: Ocho Cinco In B&G ESPN - Lewis says it again: Chad Johnson isn't going anywhere - NFL Sorry guys I know you love to talk Chad Johnson but it aint gonna happen!!!! MOVE ON TO NEW BS RUMORS. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

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