Roy Williams (WR) for a 2nd Round Pick?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i don't understand why everyone is jumping all over Williams for a second round pick. when Hall is available, for a first rounder, and far the more proven player. is there that much of a difference between the 2 picks? in my opinion, we need a corner far more then we need a wide out. and i think there is more to Williams just wanting out of Detroit

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

[WillH]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

But WE could add Brandon Loyd to the offer

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I would take Roy Williams over DeAngelo Hall every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hall is a malcontent who can't keep his mouth shut. And while we do need a CB, we don't need a #1 like Hall. Rogers won't be ready for the season start, but he will play next year. Right now, they're estimating him ready by mid-September. He probably won't be himself until the middle or later in the season, but still. Getting Hall would be overkill, it'd be similar to the panicky TJ Duckett acquisition.

With the way Smoot and Springs finished the season, there's no reason to panic and say you need to upgrade either one of them. They're both very solid NFL starters. And when Rogers is back to his old self, you'll have 3 solid starters. Even if you think about Hall as a long-term replacement for Springs, you're still chock full of 3 very talented CBs. It's a misallocation of our cap resources. We'd be better off with a Drayton Florence as a decent nickle guy.

Roy Williams however is a HUGE playmaker. He's had some injuries, so that's worrisome. But it sure would beat a loudmouth problem at a position at which we're already in decent shape.

That said, I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option. But Roy would definitely be a WAAY better choice than DeAngelo Hall.

what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season? Hall has already been to 2 pro bowls, and is only 24. while his mouth isn't his best quality, no one knows for sure how we would react playing in such a disaster as Atlanta. i say corner is a much bigger need then wide out

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

what has Williams done for you to think this? i keep reading about him being a number one, anyone care to post his stats from last season?

What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:

• His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.

• Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.

• Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.

• He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.

• He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.

He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

What has he done for me to think he's a playmaker? Oh, let me count the ways:

• His career yards per reception is 15.0. Last year, Santana Moss averaged 13.2 and Antwaan Randle-El averaged 14.3.

• Last year, he had 63 catches for 836 yards and 5 TDs, in 12 games. Over a 16 game season, that extrapolates to 84 catches, 1136 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In 2006, he played a full season, and posted 82 catches, 1310 yards, and 7 TDs.

• In his first two years in the league (2004 and 2005), he had 8 TDs in each season, despite missing seven games over the course of those two years.

• Last year, Roy averaged 4.6 YAC compared to Santana Moss' 3.1 and Randle-El's 3.6.

• He was a Pro Bowler after his stellar 2006 season. If he didn't get hurt and miss the last 4 games of this past season, he probably would have been a Pro Bowler then too.

• He'll be 27 when the 2008 season starts.

He's one of the best young WRs in football. Which NFL are you watching?

nice analysis. no need to be an ass, though. i just think there is more to the story, as far as Detroit wanting to unload him

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

nice analysis. no need to be an ass, though. i just think there is more to the story, as far as Detroit wanting to unload him

My apologies on the snide remark. Was just a little surprised to hear anyone suggest he was anything short of the cream of the crop at his position.

If there's a reason he wants out of Detroit, my guess is he simply thinks the team sucks, and he'd like to push a trade to a team who'd be willing to rework his deal and give him his big signing bonus now (as opposed to him waiting for free agency and the possibility of getting tagged by Detroit).

He's probably afraid of getting stuck in Detroit for his whole career.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

My apologies on the snide remark. Was just a little surprised to hear anyone suggest he was anything short of the cream of the crop at his position.

If there's a reason he wants out of Detroit, my guess is he simply thinks the team sucks, and he'd like to push a trade to a team who'd be willing to rework his deal and give him his big signing bonus now (as opposed to him waiting for free agency and the possibility of getting tagged by Detroit).

He's probably afraid of getting stuck in Detroit for his whole career.

apology accepted. it just seems like that price tag is way too cheap, for someone that has the talent that Williams has. and i wouldn't want to be stuck there, either

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dmek25

apology accepted. it just seems like that price tag is way too cheap, for someone that has the talent that Williams has. and i wouldn't want to be stuck there, either

I think the seemingly low price tag is an indication that this will not happen. All we've seen is this one source indicating that a 2nd round pick would do it. I echo the sentiments of other posters in this thread, I don't buy that at all. It will definitely take a 1st rounder to get Roy.

[Redskin Warrior]

Originally Posted by dmek25

nice analysis. no need to be an ass, though. i just think there is more to the story, as far as Detroit wanting to unload him

Imm with dmek on this one there something to this trade it might be injury related.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'd be shocked if a 2009 second rounder would be the high bid for Roy Williams. It will take a 2nd this year, or a 1st next year. And since the teams mentioned here have higher picks than we do, to outbid them we'll either have to give up a 1st this year or a 1st next year. I don't like either option.

Schneed...you are right on target here.

I think anyone here would agree our 2nd next year for Roy Williams would be a steal....we'd have to throw them a bone....like a 6th this year too.
That wouldn't be too bad.

I'd do it....imagine what a signing like this would do for Moss and Cooley.

It would also mean Cooley could be situational and keep in a blocking end...which would really help Campbell.

A Roy Williams signing would make the entire offense better....even if he didn't light it up...I'd do it for a 2nd this year too....especially if we got a little something back