Peter King: Broncos-Skins reach agreement

Redskins_P · 02-25-2004, 01:16 PM

This morning Mike Greenburg was going off on ESPN radio on how Gibbs has forgotten about football and that he is making a big mistake in letting Champ go. I am sick and tired of hearing all this negativity surrounding this trade. First of all......CHAMP WANTS OUT OF WASHINGTON!!!! So why not get a great running back that still in his prime if not reaching his prime? I don't agree with sending a 2nd round pick w/ Champ, because we got Champ in the 1st round ( I believe top 10 ) and Clinton Portis was drafted in the 2nd round. If anything the Broncos should at least give us one of their picks. You can always find a decent RB, but it's hard to find a shut down corner like Champ.

Also, get ready for Jevon Kearse, Warrick Holdman, and possibly Warren Sapp! Then we can draft Sean Taylor with our 5th pick. The defense will be fine.

HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

Gmanc711 · 02-25-2004, 01:39 PM

I'm a big fan of Greeny and that show, but Seriously, I'm sick of people saying how we should keep Champ. WE FREAKING TRIED, with a TON of money to keep that guy and he said no, he wants no part of the skins, so he can go. Somtimes I think these " experts " know less than we do about the team, because anyone who makes the comment that we should keep champ is obviosuly out of the loop. Bring me Portis.

RedskinRat · 02-25-2004, 01:42 PM

We shouldn't go after Kearse, I'd rather see Gardner back here from the Broncos.

As for Gibbs not knowing what he's doing.....Yeah, whatever.

SkinsRock · 02-25-2004, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

We shouldn't go after Kearse, I'd rather see Gardner back here from the Broncos.

As for Gibbs not knowing what he's doing.....Yeah, whatever.

I don't know why so many people want Gardener? His a cancer. After he got his payday last year, all he did for Denver was cause problems and stand on the sidelines most of the season because of a non-football injury from a fight.
Joe Gibbs would never bring him here.

RFKRat · 02-25-2004, 02:00 PM

Well said Petey. I think folks here should relax a bit and let Gibbs work. It's not even March yet and people are condemning things...Bailey was offered tons of money and said he was walking...so let him go, at least this way we get a powerful offensive threat in return.

As for losing the 2nd round pick, I'm not happy with that, but I can live with it. I mean, there are other guys on this team who might be traded for a second rounder somewhere along the line...and with all the cap space that was cut yesterday, the Skins can make quite a few moves to plug the holes elesewhere on this team.

Anyway, let Coach Gibbs work on this for a while before freaking out. Now if it's late August and we still have no defense, then panic. But geesh, trust a guy who took us to 4 Super Bowls. It's only February.

BleedBurgundy · 02-25-2004, 02:18 PM

Listen, I know the guy hasn't even left town yet and he's been a good player but let's face it. Who hasn't cringed when watching him TRY to tackle a runner in the secondary or when getting burned deep after gambling. The man's a hell of an athlete and yes, there aren't many great tacklers playing CB these days, but a certain free agent named Winfield is one of them and he used to play for our new DC. I think this trade is ok, woulda been great without the 2nd rounder...

johnnyredskin63 · 02-25-2004, 03:59 PM

the trade had to take place without a doubt.i wish it could have been without the 2nd rounder but.bailey was gonna leave anyhow,he has had his mind made up for a long time on that.i say goodbye,good riddance,and bad luck to him.

redwagonskins · 02-25-2004, 04:20 PM

Champ didn't want to be here, end of story. If they didn't trade him, he would have sat out or had an unspectacular season like last year (any help against the run at all!) I understand he's one of the top corners in the league but the team is more important and he doesn't get it. If he wanted to be a Redskin, he had a hell of a deal on the table before the season. He also said if Armstead goes, I go....so see you later. We'll get Portis (22 year old Earnest Byner anybody?) and some free agents (Springs at CB). It ain't over. Add a Kearse type player to the line, draft Taylor, and a lower round DT and we're in the hunt. Oh by the way, Ramsey if you want to show you should be the starter, then shut up and win it in camp. He's already conceded the job. Talk about a positive attitude! I used to love the guy but I've lost a lot of respect for him whining lately.

BleedBurgundy · 02-25-2004, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by redwagonskins

Champ didn't want to be here, end of story. If they didn't trade him, he would have sat out or had an unspectacular season like last year (any help against the run at all!) I understand he's one of the top corners in the league but the team is more important and he doesn't get it. If he wanted to be a Redskin, he had a hell of a deal on the table before the season. He also said if Armstead goes, I go....so see you later. We'll get Portis (22 year old Earnest Byner anybody?) and some free agents (Springs at CB). It ain't over. Add a Kearse type player to the line, draft Taylor, and a lower round DT and we're in the hunt. Oh by the way, Ramsey if you want to show you should be the starter, then shut up and win it in camp. He's already conceded the job. Talk about a positive attitude! I used to love the guy but I've lost a lot of respect for him whining lately.

i don't know, if I'm Ramsey, I've got one hell of a chip on my shoulder right now. He's been a good guy for us, taken one heck of a beating last year, been positive through the disaster with Spurrier and now he's being talked about as a clipboard caddy to Brunell (who was benched for a rook himself, last year.) I don't blame him for being pissed, I just hope he handles it with class and clearly defines himself as the starter in the preseason.

redwagonskins · 02-25-2004, 04:55 PM

I hope Ramsey has a chip on his shoulder and I hope he does bring it when it comes to training camp. I want nothing more than for Ramsey to succeed because he has been a great player for the organization. Problem is, when his back is aginst the wall, he wants out rather than showing the Dan, Gibbs et al. that he is the man and not Brunell. There is nothing wrong with competition, it should drive you to excel, not cry about perceived unfairness. If he beats out Brunell, I have no problems with him leading the team but the way he got hit last year, it won't be for 16 games. (just curious - does anyone think that the Gibbs team saw something in the film that made them belive maybe it was Ramsey's fault for holding the ball to long and not making quick reads? Just a conspiracy theory)

02-25-2004, 01:16 PM	#1
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,101	Mike & Mike in the morning This morning Mike Greenburg was going off on ESPN radio on how Gibbs has forgotten about football and that he is making a big mistake in letting Champ go. I am sick and tired of hearing all this negativity surrounding this trade. First of all......CHAMP WANTS OUT OF WASHINGTON!!!! So why not get a great running back that still in his prime if not reaching his prime? I don't agree with sending a 2nd round pick w/ Champ, because we got Champ in the 1st round ( I believe top 10 ) and Clinton Portis was drafted in the 2nd round. If anything the Broncos should at least give us one of their picks. You can always find a decent RB, but it's hard to find a shut down corner like Champ. Also, get ready for Jevon Kearse, Warrick Holdman, and possibly Warren Sapp! Then we can draft Sean Taylor with our 5th pick. The defense will be fine. HAIL TO THE REDSKINS!!

02-25-2004, 01:39 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 40 Posts: 7,506	I'm a big fan of Greeny and that show, but Seriously, I'm sick of people saying how we should keep Champ. WE FREAKING TRIED, with a TON of money to keep that guy and he said no, he wants no part of the skins, so he can go. Somtimes I think these " experts " know less than we do about the team, because anyone who makes the comment that we should keep champ is obviosuly out of the loop. Bring me Portis. __________________ #21 Last edited by Gmanc711; 02-25-2004 at 02:04 PM.

02-25-2004, 02:18 PM	#6
BleedBurgundy Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,471	I don't wanna bash Bailey but... Listen, I know the guy hasn't even left town yet and he's been a good player but let's face it. Who hasn't cringed when watching him TRY to tackle a runner in the secondary or when getting burned deep after gambling. The man's a hell of an athlete and yes, there aren't many great tacklers playing CB these days, but a certain free agent named Winfield is one of them and he used to play for our new DC. I think this trade is ok, woulda been great without the 2nd rounder...

02-25-2004, 03:59 PM	#7
johnnyredskin63 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 203	the trade had to take place without a doubt.i wish it could have been without the 2nd rounder but.bailey was gonna leave anyhow,he has had his mind made up for a long time on that.i say goodbye,good riddance,and bad luck to him. __________________ it's me,bigredskinfan63 bigledzepfan63 "the sea was red and the sky was grey,wondered how tommorow could ever follow today HAIL TO THE REDSKINS always remember ladies and germs-THE COWBOYS SUCK

02-25-2004, 01:42 PM	#3
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	We shouldn't go after Kearse, I'd rather see Gardner back here from the Broncos. As for Gibbs not knowing what he's doing.....Yeah, whatever.

02-25-2004, 02:00 PM	#5
RFKRat Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 105	Well said Petey. I think folks here should relax a bit and let Gibbs work. It's not even March yet and people are condemning things...Bailey was offered tons of money and said he was walking...so let him go, at least this way we get a powerful offensive threat in return. As for losing the 2nd round pick, I'm not happy with that, but I can live with it. I mean, there are other guys on this team who might be traded for a second rounder somewhere along the line...and with all the cap space that was cut yesterday, the Skins can make quite a few moves to plug the holes elesewhere on this team. Anyway, let Coach Gibbs work on this for a while before freaking out. Now if it's late August and we still have no defense, then panic. But geesh, trust a guy who took us to 4 Super Bowls. It's only February.

02-25-2004, 04:20 PM	#8
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	Champ didn't want to be here, end of story. If they didn't trade him, he would have sat out or had an unspectacular season like last year (any help against the run at all!) I understand he's one of the top corners in the league but the team is more important and he doesn't get it. If he wanted to be a Redskin, he had a hell of a deal on the table before the season. He also said if Armstead goes, I go....so see you later. We'll get Portis (22 year old Earnest Byner anybody?) and some free agents (Springs at CB). It ain't over. Add a Kearse type player to the line, draft Taylor, and a lower round DT and we're in the hunt. Oh by the way, Ramsey if you want to show you should be the starter, then shut up and win it in camp. He's already conceded the job. Talk about a positive attitude! I used to love the guy but I've lost a lot of respect for him whining lately.

02-25-2004, 04:55 PM	#10
redwagonskins Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Diego Posts: 685	I hope Ramsey has a chip on his shoulder and I hope he does bring it when it comes to training camp. I want nothing more than for Ramsey to succeed because he has been a great player for the organization. Problem is, when his back is aginst the wall, he wants out rather than showing the Dan, Gibbs et al. that he is the man and not Brunell. There is nothing wrong with competition, it should drive you to excel, not cry about perceived unfairness. If he beats out Brunell, I have no problems with him leading the team but the way he got hit last year, it won't be for 16 games. (just curious - does anyone think that the Gibbs team saw something in the film that made them belive maybe it was Ramsey's fault for holding the ball to long and not making quick reads? Just a conspiracy theory)

Peter King: Broncos-Skins reach agreement

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