Trade for Boldin?

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

They obviously do since they're trying to work out a deal. I'm sure they probably have the space already penciled in for a contract of that magnitude and have running projections of the entire roster for the next 3 years. If there's one thing this front office knows how to do well it's working the cap.

Im not talking about this year, this year we are fine no matter what, but our system of working the cap is dependent on turning yearly money into signing bonus money, which makes extends their contract because we do not have the room to cut them. Well all our guys that we routinely restructure, our core players, samuels, jansen, thomas, moss, portis, randle el. Are getting up there in years (I know portis is young, but I feel like his physical style of play will have him have a shortened career). We would have to pay old fragile players who are way past their prime loads of money and not be able to cut them. And it has a chain effect because we will have to restructure them again and again because we keep pushing the money back. The only way out of this in my mind is to build through the draft for a good 2 years, otherwise we will be stuck with players way past their prime, and paying them a kings ransom.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by celts32

I like Boldin for us better then CJ...younger and less mouth. Seems like a good fit next to Moss. i would try and get him for less then CJ though...maybe just the #1 with nothing else added on.

I could get on board with that.
And you're right about Boldin being better for us, and being a good compliment to Moss.

[baxter81]

Yes to Boldin. Yes to CJ. Yes to Williams. All three of them would be a good compliment to Moss. Take witch ever one you can get for less. Most likely Roy.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BeastsoftheNFCeast

Im not talking about this year, this year we are fine no matter what, but our system of working the cap is dependent on turning yearly money into signing bonus money, which makes extends their contract because we do not have the room to cut them. Well all our guys that we routinely restructure, our core players, samuels, jansen, thomas, moss, portis, randle el. Are getting up there in years (I know portis is young, but I feel like his physical style of play will have him have a shortened career). We would have to pay old fragile players who are way past their prime loads of money and not be able to cut them. And it has a chain effect because we will have to restructure them again and again because we keep pushing the money back. The only way out of this in my mind is to build through the draft for a good 2 years, otherwise we will be stuck with players way past their prime, and paying them a kings ransom.

And like I said they are well aware of how moves made today impact the future. They keep a rolling 3 year projection. They know who will need to be restructured and/or released.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

link on the boldin ESPN article?

I think you have to take the whole Boldin thing in with a grain of salt:
1) He is not much younger than Chad at 27 (2 years and change) so the complaint about Chad's year count is either totally overblown or should be applied partially towards boldin too. And I'll take Chad's consistency and durability over that 2 yr difference with boldin

2) Boldin has had some injury concerns and the last thing we need is an injury prone player on our roster. Just another chance at an offseason hypothetical, leaving us scratching our heads, asking what if so-and-so was healthy.

3) Boldin's numbers are padded by the fact that he played in the pass happy NFC West. When you play in high scoring games against SF, St Louis and Seattle, especially when your team is down by a large margin and has to pass, your WR's are gonna get the stats. Also, the DB's probably aren't as good as in Chad's AFC North (with Pittsburgh and Baltimore).

4) Boldin had the benefit of Fitzgerald taking away a lot of the attention and it probably suited for the #2 role on any team. 85 on the other hand was almost always doubled and was always treated as the #1 threat on the field.

5) Boldin has never really played in big (NFL) game situations. He has no playoff experience and typically his teams have finished well under .500. Arizona is a pretty tame NFL state where little pressure is put on that team to perform. Who knows how he will deal with big city pressure and expectations, especially in a media market like DC?

You make a few good points, namely that Boldin has Fitz on the other side to avoid double teams, and the fact that they play awful defenses like the Rams and 49ers twice a year.

But you say CJ was always double teamed? Housh would be a #1 on just about every other team in the league, and helps pull double teams off Chad all the time. How often do you see 85 beating his man one-on-one down the sideline? A lot. And while we're talking about double teams, don't you think a deep threat like a Moss and a middle of the field monster like Cooley would help free up Boldin? I do.

Boldin doesn't have playoff experience, but so what? In my mind that shouldn't factor into a WR at all. A QB? Maybe, but not a wideout. Boldin also starred at Florida State (boooo)- a huge football school - and knows about playing on a big stage. This shouldn't be a concern.

I haven't heard what we offered for Boldin, but I would think Arizona would be interested in Ladell Betts. Edge is way past his prime, and Betts has a lot of miles left and has proven his ability as a starter. I wouldn't be surprised if our offer was Betts and a mid-round pick, or maybe just a 2nd rounder.

[jdlea]

The only way I would trade for Anquan is if we could get him for this year's 2 and next year's 2 or lower. He's not worth what we offered for Chad, but he's definitely better than the players the Skins have at WR.

[baxter81]

Chads not worth what we offered for Chad

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by baxter81

Chads not worth what we offered for Chad

If Chad Johnson were available for the 21st overall pick, I wouldn't be too upset. The 2nd #1 is a little bit much, but it may have only been a #3, I don't have too much of a problem with that. He'll be 30, but if this team wants to win sooner rather than later, that would not have been that bad of a trade. It's a lot to give up, but I have very little faith that the Skins will pick a player who can make an immediate impact at the 21st overall pick.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think they may be disappointed.

[baxter81]

Originally Posted by jdlea

If Chad Johnson were available for the 21st overall pick, I wouldn't be too upset. The 2nd #1 is a little bit much, but it may have only been a #3, I don't have too much of a problem with that. He'll be 30, but if this team wants to win sooner rather than later, that would not have been that bad of a trade. It's a lot to give up, but I have very little faith that the Skins will pick a player who can make an immediate impact at the 21st overall pick.

I hope I'm wrong, but I think they may be disappointed.

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). Chad is a great receiver and i would love to have him in the "Maroon & Black". If it were just the 21st, i would pull the trigger, but a 1st and a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is too much

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by baxter81

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB). Chad is a great receiver and i would love to have him in the "Maroon & Black". If it were just the 21st, i would pull the trigger, but a 1st and a 1st, 2nd, or 3rd is too much

The conditional is based on Chad and the Redskins reaching certain performance levels. If they have to go to a Super Bowl to make that 3 a 1, then I don't have a problem giving up next year's first round pick if Chad and The Skins make it all the way to the Super Bowl next year. I will admit that I'm biased, I love Chad Johnson, he's probably my favorite receiver in the game, but I think, objectively looking at it, a 1 and next year's 3 isn't too much to give up. If the Skins weren't picking at 21, I'd be against it, but I don't trust anyone out of this draft outside of the Longs, Dorsey, Ellis, or McFadden to step right in and make an impact anytime soon. That said, Chad could and that could potentially make the difference between the playoffs and a losing season.

Also, I'm not a fan of drafting a guy in round 1 and making him sit unless he plays QB.

[JWsleep]

Originally Posted by redsk1

I'd give up this years first for Boldin. Done deal. Maybe even throw in a late rounder...5-7th round pick. Proven talent, young, and what we need. We wouldn't be mortgaging our future either. If you take a WR at #21 it's hit or miss. Almost 50/50 chance he's be productive.

I agree with this. Drafting WRs (or any player for that matter) is a risky proposition. These guys have all proven that they can play serious WR in the NFL. It does not surprise me at all that the teams in question turned us down.

I think Boldin would be a great compliment to the small fast WRs we have. But I would be shocked if the Cards give him up.

[Dirtbag59]

Should we change the title of the thread to something like "Cardinals turned down Redskins offer for Boldin"?

[killromo]

Originally Posted by baxter81

It all depends on where you think the team is right now. Are they one good player away from being a legit SB contender. Some say yes. I think that with the new coach and new system there is a good chance we take a step back this year. This isn't the year that we need to go after that one player that can push us over the top if it means sacrificing the chance to build more depth in post ions that desperately need it (OL, DL, CB).

I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.

[baxter81]

Originally Posted by killromo

I couldn't have said it better. But think of all the $$ Dan-o would make off of ocho cinco jerseys!! A 21st pick rookie won't sell nearly as much.

This is true

[Dirtbag59]

I'd love to see what some these GM's and coaches that are turning down the Redskins were like when their girlfriends tried to break up with them before they got married.

"Mike it's over, I'm sleeping with your best friend. I want to see other people"

"NO! I'm going to stick to my guns. It'll take two people to end this relationship and right now you only have one."

I probably could have come up with a better joke but I'm out of ideas for now.