Obama Selects Senator Joe Biden as Running Mate

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Those are good talking points, but if Obama has indeed changed positions weekly, give me two. FISA, yes, he switched his positions. And I won't get into the nuance of the bill because it's very complicated. But for the sake of argument, yes, he switched on FISA. That's the position that gave the Left pause, if any at all.

In terms of the war in Iraq, both the current Administration and the Iraqi government are most definitely leaning toward Obama's withdrawal timeline, which he proposed from the very start of this election and has maintained throughout. So no switch there. No flip and certainly no flop. He cited sixteen months at the start and his rhetoric has changed one iota. Now, if he get's in office and things warrant staying longer, should he hold fast to sixteen months for the saking of keeping his word, that would be foolish and a display of poor leadership. But based on the current conditions, as Obama sees them, sixteen months is probably a good starting place to begin to draw down.


Voting present in the Illinois Senate is not simply "present" or ducking responsibilty as some would imply. This is funny how it came up during the Primary, but no one cared to investigate what present actually means in the Senate. The Illinois Senate operates quite differently than most state legislations in the United States.
www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/opinion/16mikva.html

Speaking of missing votes, did you know that John McCain has missed more votes this year than any member in the U.S. Senate?


Obama's speeches, take it or leave it. Personally I don't think people being inspired for change and hoping for a new direction in our country is a bad thing. Especially when over 80% of Americans think we're on the wrong track. What, should we feel the opposite way? But I get what you're saying, you can do without the all the hype. Or stylistically, you're not feeling Barack. I can respect that.

Public Campaign Funding
Offshore Drilling
NAFTA
DC Hand Gun Law (said it was unconstitutional then constitutional)
Corporate Taxes (said he thought they were wrong but in his own plains he has something like 300 mil in tax breaks)

On Iraq I feel he gave the impression that he would start removing troops right away which I feel he did to get the anti war group vote. Now he won the primary he is aying 16 months. I wont call that a flip flop but i think he did that in a wise politcal way to beat out Clinton.

He also said that the Bush/cheney energy bill was very bad but he himself voted for it in 2005.

[NM Redskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

For those that are actually interested in reading about the parties' platforms, instead of mindless drivel like every Republic hates immigrant and gays, and is all about God and greed, then here is the 2008 Democratic Party Platform

http://www.demconvention.com/assets/...e-08-13-08.pdf

And here are some notes on what is expected to be on the 2008 GOP Platform

Washington Times - GOP platform retains abortion-ban plank

Here is their 2004 Platform

http://www.gop.com/images/2004platform.pdf

As a Republican, a moderate Republican who is not anti-immigration nor anti-gay (I know. How is that even possible if I'm a registered Republican) I hope that the 2008 platform is substantive and addresses the issues that really matter: economy, foreign policy, education, health care. While I don't agree with everything the Dems present I thought they did a strong job in stating their case.

thanks smoot, good info

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

Was Barack at your home last night, Buster. Nice TV. Clinton gave a great speech, by the way.

I heard her speach was more about her than Obama. Bill did give a good speech last night which might be a tough act for Obama to follow. Thats from a guy who does not like Bill but has to admitt the guy can give a good speach. It might be filled with a bunch of BS but stillgood.

[dmek25]

first, starting to think about a switch?

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Originally Posted by dmek25

first, starting to think about a switch?

I'm a regestered Repubilcan but have voted Democratic on the local level here in Virginia. In Va. allot of the Dems. are more middle of the road and in some states would be considered more a Rep. than a Dem. I do not like either guy running for office because it seems both want to grow the size of the federal goverment. So my vote is going to go to the guy who will do the least amount of damage. One of my biggest issues is that goverment in most cases is the problem and not the solution. Everything they get involved in just skyrockets in cost, size and usually performs very poorly. Just because I guy can give a very good speach does not mean I agree with what they are saying.

[Miller101]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm a regestered Repubilcan but have voted Democratic on the local level here in Virginia. In Va. allot of the Dems. are more middle of the road and in some states would be considered more a Rep. than a Dem. I do not like either guy running for office because it seems both want to grow the size of the federal goverment. So my vote is going to go to the guy who will do the least amount of damage. One of my biggest issues is that goverment in most cases is the problem and not the solution. Everything they get involved in just skyrockets in cost, size and usually performs very poorly. Just because I guy can give a very good speach does not mean I agree with what they are saying.

Dude! You only say that because Republicans have been in power for a REAAAAAAAAAL long time. Once a democrat, like Barrack Obama, gets in there....................it will change.

[dmek25]

first, are we in agreement that the economy is in the tank?

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Originally Posted by Miller101

Dude! You only say that because Republicans have been in power for a REAAAAAAAAAL long time. Once a democrat, like Barrack Obama, gets in there....................it will change.

You've gotta be kidding right?

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Originally Posted by dmek25

first, are we in agreement that the economy is in the tank?

Well its been better but MSNBC is reporting stronger numbers than expected and thats from MSNBC. Consumer spending rises - Stocks & economy - MSNBC.com
The housing market had to come back to earth and thats been a big drag along with high gas prices. So I guess if your saying Bush is the reason for the economy then as president he gets blamed for such. I don't think the president has that much control over the economy but credit either goes with him or against him. If you look back over his 8 years its been good for about 6 of those years and that was after 9/11 and everyone saying that the economy would tank for along time. I also think that the media in and election year and are liberal have pumped this news to every house hold for the past year has had a big affect.