What's Wrong with the Redskins?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Placing the blame with JC is just incredibly narrow minded, but yet so typical.

So far the blame has been heaped on JC, Zorn and Cerrato.. How about we've played teams that are better and/or healthier than us the past month? Portis clearly isn't right, the OL is struggling (Jansen is past well done!) and our special teams are pathetic.

But yeah, it's Campbell's fault and the team should fold.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

You do realize that in the past three games where Jason had a QB rating under 85, he faced the Cowboys' 8th ranked defense, New York's 3rd ranked defense and the Steelers' 1st ranked defense? Meanwhile, Matt Ryan faced juggernaut defenses like New Orleans' 21st ranked defense, Denver's 27th ranked defense and San Diego's 28th ranked defense. Those too, are the facts.

I realize that Jason has his flaws. However, I also realize that Jason is a decent quarterback and it's absolutely unfair to judge a guy based on a 4 game streak. But, as a Redskins fan, I realize it's par for the course to do so with a Washington QB. We've done it since Gus was backing up Shuler and we'll be doing it until we have the next Peyton Manning. Compared to most Redskins fans, Dan Snyder has the patience of Buddha himself.

Good points but Gus got around 27 games, same with Shuler. JC is a better QB than those two and on game #33. By this time next season he will be on game # 47 (if my math is right). Most NFL QB's get under 30 games to prove themselves or not. He's getting more than enough time to win and improve himself. Yet, some still want to blame eveyone else, including Danny Snyder.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Placing the blame with JC is just incredibly narrow minded, but yet so typical.

If you consider me part of this group, I am not blaming Jason Campbell; he's a serviceable QB. I am pointing out that his play has fallen off late in the season, when we needed him the most. I agree; there's a lot of blame to spread around. Portis' incredible string of 125-yard-plus games masked our average passing game, and now that the running game is tougher, the weak passing game is shining through.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

I suppose where the ball is placed for the WR has nothing to do with the drops? Tell me that Zorn told JC to throw a ball into triple coverage? Come on. Zorn has got this team to play above itself.

Zorn did indeed inherit a team with some issues (e.g., aging O-line, small wideouts), but he also inherited a team coming off 2 playoff appearances in 3 years. So, it's not like Zorn took over the Detroit Lions. On balance, Zorn has done a good job with the Redskins. I have a few reservations about the playcalling, but he's done just fine.

As for your potshots at Campbell, please review the tape on Campbell's three throws to Kelly, Thrash and ARE that were dropped on 3rd down and killed 1/4 of our 12 drives.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Zorn did indeed inherit a team with some issues (e.g., aging O-line, small wideouts), but he also inherited a team coming off 2 playoff appearances in 3 years. So, it's not like Zorn took over the Detroit Lions. On balance, Zorn has done a good job with the Redskins. I have a few reservations about the playcalling, but he's done just fine.

As for your potshots at Campbell, please review the tape on Campbell's three throws to Kelly, Thrash and ARE that were dropped on 3rd down and killed 1/4 of our 12 drives.

I agree; the wide receiver corps let Campbell down today. We have a lingering problem at WR, with no No. 2. I hope Kelly or Thomas emerges next season as a true No. 2 receiver to complement Moss.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Twilbert07

If you consider me part of this group, I am not blaming Jason Campbell; he's a serviceable QB. I am pointing out that his play has fallen off late in the season, when we needed him the most. I agree; there's a lot of blame to spread around. Portis' incredible string of 125-yard-plus games masked our average passing game, and now that the running game is tougher, the weak passing game is shining through.

JC is good. the OL and DL are going downhill and dragging JC with them.

It's very unpopular to say anything negative about the best, 'home-grown', QB we've had in almost 20 years. However, our passing game is weak, for many reasons - including JC. Teams have challenged JC to beat them when they load up on Clinton Portis. Until we get better at that, we're not going to score many points.

[Twilbert07]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

JC is good. the OL and DL are going downhill and dragging JC with them.

It's very unpopular to say anything negative about the best, 'home-grown', QB we've had in almost 20 years. However, our passing game is weak, for many reasons - including JC. Teams have challenged JC to beat them when they load up on Clinton Portis. Until we get better at that, we're not going to score many points.

That's true. And the Ravens will pressure JC on every play possible next Sunday. I hope the line gives Campbell time to throw and that the receivers catch the ball.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Zorn did indeed inherit a team with some issues (e.g., aging O-line, small wideouts), but he also inherited a team coming off 2 playoff appearances in 3 years. So, it's not like Zorn took over the Detroit Lions. On balance, Zorn has done a good job with the Redskins. I have a few reservations about the playcalling, but he's done just fine.

As for your potshots at Campbell, please review the tape on Campbell's three throws to Kelly, Thrash and ARE that were dropped on 3rd down and killed 1/4 of our 12 drives.

Last years playoff run was with a different QB.

If calling JC a 'good QB' is taking potshots, then I'm guilty. Check my last 20 posts in this thread for how many times I've said those exact words almost every post.

Last point - Gibbs II was four years long with a .45 win/loss rate. That's the team Zorn took over.

Sure there were dropped balls - the WR are guilty every game. I guess they're the only ones to blame for those.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

JC is good. the OL and DL are going downhill and dragging JC with them.

It's very unpopular to say anything negative about the best, 'home-grown', QB we've had in almost 20 years. However, our passing game is weak, for many reasons - including JC. Teams have challenged JC to beat them when they load up on Clinton Portis. Until we get better at that, we're not going to score many points.

I agree that our passing game has utterly failed three of the last four weeks, and part of it is on Campbell not seeing the field as well as he should be.

But Zorn has put a lot of responsibility on the receivers, and between Randle El missing the final two drives against Dallas with injury, the rain today, and the pass pressure on Campbell against Pittsburgh, every part of the pass offense failed at some point.

The lack of depth is creating a paper-thin margin for error with the passing game, and it's all really hurting Campbell, who has been struggling with the basics recently.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by A10sROCK

You're blaming Zorn? A rookie coach with a better start than any Redskins HC including Joe Gibbs?

The guy inherited this team. He didn't even get to pick all his coaches. He didn't get to pick all the draft players. I don't agree with all his calls but the mutiple drops, lousy passes, penalties, and poor play against a powerhouse team are not all his fault.

I suppose where the ball is placed for the WR has nothing to do with the drops? Tell me that Zorn told JC to throw a ball into triple coverage? Come on. Zorn has got this team to play above itself.

As others have said, JC QB rating is dropping to his NFL - '75'ish average. I suppose Zorn, Gibbs and Saunders were exclusively responsible for that over the last 4 years.

I know Sherlock Holmes and you sir are no Sherlock Holmes.

[A10sROCK]

Originally Posted by saden1

I know Sherlock Holmes and you sir are no Sherlock Holmes.

And what was wrong with what I said?

I NEVER claimed I was Sherlock Holmes (that I remember). I'm just an old fighter pilot with too much time on his hands.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

A10:

As I pointed out, Jason bears some responsibility for our woes on offense. I just want to make sure the blame isn't unfairly heaped on his shoulders. Sorry if I misinterpreted your post.

[Mr.Redskin]

I think for 1 person to get blamed 1 person messed up but if more than one its a ratio/fraction. You want someone to blame just call it The Redskins fault. From Snyder to the fans. Fans that sell tickets away and sins of the father who built this team/coaches, sins of the contract negotiators and signing bonus penalties for players that took steps away from progress.
We do have a Redskin problem honestly ever since 1991. We need to fix this. This team/fans don't trust our identity instead we chose to acknowledge or address wants rather needs.

We are not a good team. Every team rolls the dice and only 1 team can win it all. I hope our Skins leadership is more solid and planned heading into the next season. We have to use this energy to get prepared for a season that matters. Playoff contention is faint if still visibly at all. We have to grow up before the season starts to not have our chances shot down.

This is when we should be reaping the seed planted in the offseason. If success amounted to how much love we cheer with sure we win but instability and uncertainty doesn't yield good results. Actually we are reaping now.

Were are Redskins fan!! Disappointment is not new or over. I've been taking lumps since 1991 but I'm still here.

Some mistakes as before mentioned have a side effect like it or not. This game was a distraction in itself with the Ring. Our leadership is inexperienced and the ratio is against us.

SKINSFAN69 spoke of the theme, ELI is stable, was built intelligently= TOWARD A GOAL we change Jason and the team around so much the ray of hope is our defense b/c that takes heart.

[GTripp0012]

I think we will finish 9-7, and miss the playoffs. But I think you will see an improved passing offense in the final three games of the season.

The defense is close to an implosion. I know all we can talk about is the offense, but the defense, although their 8-in-the-box schemes worked vs. the run, hasn't played well at all since the Rams game. A lot of inept offenses helped us along the way, but our pass defense is falling apart. We're not a good blitzing team, and because of that, I think a lot of the blame falls at the feet of Blache, who just can't stop blitzing.

I think we should go back to a zone defense. Some cover two mixed in with cover one zone under wouldn't kill us. If Blache needs to blitz, he needs to get Landry back up near the LOS. Because he (and Fletcher) are the only players on the team who can actually time up a blitz.

[CRedskinsRule]

I would like a new WR coach. That's about the only change I would change at this point. I don't know Hixon, and I could be completely wrong, but how many receivers have we gone through? How many have we developed? I know Snyder has paid to bring talent in, but none really have consistently produced. I like what I see in Kelly, Moss obviously is a top receiver, but maybe we could bring in a USC WR coach to work specifically with Thomas, remember he is very young and maybe needs that extra touch.
I don't know but I believe it was Zorn who said that coming in to the game they needed to score 28 to win. So with that as a gauge, the offense absolutely failed