On Blache

[Joe Kidd]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Sadly when our DBs have caught an INT, the offense has not been able to capitalize.

That's a good point but it doesn't let the D completely off the hook. They've dropped too many INTs, it's just not acceptable.

I do agree the offense is a big problem. When you're scoring 10 points a game you're just not going to beat many teams in this league no matter how good your defense is.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

You took are single best defensive drive of the day, and used it as an argument that Blache never does anything wrong.

We have nothing but pass rushers at defensive end. That's all Chris Wilson, and Jason Taylor can do. Carter is a strong pass rusher. Even Evans is stronger against the pass than he is the run. Yet, they still never get sacks. Gee, it couldn't be because a man who claims that "sacks don't matter" is coaching the defense?

Why don't you think they get sacks? Is it because Blache tells them not to rush the passer? Please! These comments make no sense what so ever. Yes we have guys that specialize in sacking the QB but they're not very good at it actually doing it. All the guys you mentioned would not start for NY or Dallas.

[birdz4gibbs]

like momma says if you don,t have anything good to say don,t say anything at all..
so i,ll just be quiet and deal with this slide this team keeps finding themselve being in every year at this point in the season...

thats about it ....

[jbcjr14]

Originally Posted by birdz4gibbs

like momma says if you don,t have anything good to say don,t say anything at all..
so i,ll just be quiet and deal with this slide this team keeps finding themselve being in every year at this point in the season...

thats about it ....

This is the first time in three years the team has had a "slide" in December....

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Why don't you think they get sacks? Is it because Blache tells them not to rush the passer? Please! These comments make no sense what so ever. Yes we have guys that specialize in sacking the QB but they're not very good at it actually doing it. All the guys you mentioned would not start for NY or Dallas.

Or the D-philosophy doesn't allow for it.

I think Taylor and Carter are still starters elsewhere but I've heard the Blache's set-up actually encourages them to make sure it isn't a run before heading all out to the QB

[Hail to the Redskins]

As I said in another thread...

Our Defense (and definitely Blache) is NOT TO BLAME!!

The ONLY stat that matters is POINTS ALLOWED... or am I wrong??

* Our defense has not given up more than 24 points in a game all season (Pittsburgh is only other team to say that) - 12 teams are AVERAGING allowing more than 24 per game!! And one is a playoff team (Arizona)

* OUR defense averages giving up 19.0 per game - 7th in the NFL!!

* Our defense is doing this with an offense that is NOT controlling the clock or punters who are pinning teams back.

* Our defense SEEMS to be the problem because they have NO ROOM FOR ERROR... lol... if they give up 2 touchdowns in one game, we all know it's over (i.e. the Ravens game)

* Look at the games where our D gives in late in the 4th and they were games where our Offense went 3 & out for most of the 1st half (Dallas, Baltimore, Cincinnati) and the D was on the field for much of the day... holding the other team at bay...

Really, when you think about it, Blache deserves A LOT of credit.. I think... We have absolutely no pass rush (which puts pressure on our secondary), but Blache's philosophy is "the team that runs more productively will win the majority of games" ...

So his scheme is allowing us to have a top passing defense (opposing pass offenses have terrible numbers against us - 55% completions & 75.1 QB rating) while still being an above average run stopping team (ranked 10th, 3.8 ypc)... this equals not many points allowed.... WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS...

and although I HATE not getting pressure, the stats above don't lie...

[Paintrain]

I'm not a huge fan of Blache's scheme and philosophy of not trying to generate pressure by blitzing and us not creating many turnovers, but that being said, if we just averaged 20 PPG, we wouldn't be talking about Blache or the defense at all.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

As I said in another thread...

Our Defense (and definitely Blache) is NOT TO BLAME!!

The ONLY stat that matters is POINTS ALLOWED... or am I wrong??

* Our defense has not given up more than 24 points in a game all season (Pittsburgh is only other team to say that) - 12 teams are AVERAGING allowing more than 24 per game!! And one is a playoff team (Arizona)

* OUR defense averages giving up 19.0 per game - 7th in the NFL!!

* Our defense is doing this with an offense that is NOT controlling the clock or punters who are pinning teams back.

* Our defense SEEMS to be the problem because they have NO ROOM FOR ERROR... lol... if they give up 2 touchdowns in one game, we all know it's over (i.e. the Ravens game)

* Look at the games where our D gives in late in the 4th and they were games where our Offense went 3 & out for most of the 1st half (Dallas, Baltimore, Cincinnati) and the D was on the field for much of the day... holding the other team at bay...

Really, when you think about it, Blache deserves A LOT of credit.. I think... We have absolutely no pass rush (which puts pressure on our secondary), but Blache's philosophy is "the team that runs more productively will win the majority of games" ...

So his scheme is allowing us to have a top passing defense (opposing pass offenses have terrible numbers against us - 55% completions & 75.1 QB rating) while still being an above average run stopping team (ranked 10th, 3.8 ypc)... this equals not many points allowed.... WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS...

and although I HATE not getting pressure, the stats above don't lie...

You are wrong. A non-stat matters too. When those points are given up. Those breakdowns happen when the Skins are still technically in the game. And I don't believe it's just them being tired, because they manage to get it together if there's a drive or two later. But by then it's to late. The Skins go from trying to make up one score in say eight minutes, to making up two scores, a totally different prospect, that calls for totally different plays.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I'm not a huge fan of Blache's scheme and philosophy of not trying to generate pressure by blitzing and us not creating many turnovers, but that being said, if we just averaged 20 PPG, we wouldn't be talking about Blache or the defense at all.

I agree. I'm not saying the D is bad. It's just not good enough that he should be untouchable.

And changing the O will on;y make next season worst. There's no such thing as a system that a coach just installs and it miraculously brings about everyone's best right away.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Hail to the Redskins

As I said in another thread...

Our Defense (and definitely Blache) is NOT TO BLAME!!

The ONLY stat that matters is POINTS ALLOWED... or am I wrong??

* Our defense has not given up more than 24 points in a game all season (Pittsburgh is only other team to say that) - 12 teams are AVERAGING allowing more than 24 per game!! And one is a playoff team (Arizona)

* OUR defense averages giving up 19.0 per game - 7th in the NFL!!

* Our defense is doing this with an offense that is NOT controlling the clock or punters who are pinning teams back.

* Our defense SEEMS to be the problem because they have NO ROOM FOR ERROR... lol... if they give up 2 touchdowns in one game, we all know it's over (i.e. the Ravens game)

* Look at the games where our D gives in late in the 4th and they were games where our Offense went 3 & out for most of the 1st half (Dallas, Baltimore, Cincinnati) and the D was on the field for much of the day... holding the other team at bay...

Really, when you think about it, Blache deserves A LOT of credit.. I think... We have absolutely no pass rush (which puts pressure on our secondary), but Blache's philosophy is "the team that runs more productively will win the majority of games" ...

So his scheme is allowing us to have a top passing defense (opposing pass offenses have terrible numbers against us - 55% completions & 75.1 QB rating) while still being an above average run stopping team (ranked 10th, 3.8 ypc)... this equals not many points allowed.... WHICH IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS...

and although I HATE not getting pressure, the stats above don't lie...

Points allowed is pretty important, but for the argument you are making -- that they should shoulder no blame -- you are totally 100% wrong.

And it's because you don't know how to use statistics to help you decide what the problems are. It's because you are trying to use them to prove that you are right, when you are not willing to consider the possibility that you are wrong.

You say that our offense doesn't control the clock. That's not true. They are top ten in time of possession.

You say that they have no margin for error, because if they give up two touchdowns in a game, they lose. I'll guarantee you that any defense that allows a TD to the Bengals on 25% of it's drives will lose.

We have no pass rush because Blache doesn't care about sacks.

We have a below average pass defense because he sells out to stop the run.

Our opponents that have horrible passing numbers against us also have worse numbers against everyone else. We've played Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Seattle, St. Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, and now Cincinnati. That was our entire non-divisional schedule in the time since our 4-1 start. We haven't played them very well at all on defense.

And most importantly, whenever we need a third down stop, we give up easy completions and can't get off the field.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Joe Kidd

I'm not sure Blache is a big issue. The D was disappointing today but at the end of the day they gave up 17 points, a good offense should have been able to drop at least 28 on the Bengals today. Our offense has been slacking for years now and the D is the only thing that has kept us from being a total disaster.

I have seen this phenomena before(defense starting to breakdown late in the season due to lack of an offense). It was 1987 and my uncle's last stint as the Buckeye HC in Columbus. He lost Nate Harris, his starting flanker to flunking out, and was compelled to kick Chris Carter off the team for taking that agent's money and continuously lying about it to both my uncle and OSU AD Rick Bay. The defense lead by Chris Spielman was stellar, keeping the anemic Buckeye offense in game after game til they played Lorenzo White and MSU. The Spartans kicked their ass, and the D fell apart after that for the next few games giving up lots of points to the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa. Sad thing was the offense finally got their act together, but the D gave up more points than they could score. Thing is our D is very good, but it is not a killer D like the Ravens or Pittsburgh. You put enough pressure on a D that is only very good and they will break eventually if they are the ones keeping the team afloat. In short, I don't think you can heap too much blame on Blache for what he has to work with.

[MrJL]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

I have seen this phenomena before(defense starting to breakdown late in the season due to lack of an offense). It was 1987 and my uncle's last stint as the Buckeye HC in Columbus. He lost Nate Harris, his starting flanker to flunking out, and was compelled to kick Chris Carter off the team for taking that agent's money and continuously lying about it to both my uncle and OSU AD Rick Bay. The defense lead by Chris Spielman was stellar, keeping the anemic Buckeye offense in game after game til they played Lorenzo White and MSU. The Spartans kicked their ass, and the D fell apart after that for the next few games giving up lots of points to the likes of Wisconsin and Iowa. Sad thing was the offense finally got their act together, but the D gave up more points than they could score. Thing is our D is very good, but it is not a killer D like the Ravens or Pittsburgh. You put enough pressure on a D that is only very good and they will break eventually if they are the ones keeping the team afloat. In short, I don't think you can heap too much blame on Blache for what he has to work with.

Thing is, I don't think you need to assign a lot of blame to Blache to feel it's time for a change.

With the offense struggling we need to switch from a D philosophy where they keep the O in the game, to where they try to win the game.

[Hail to the Redskins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Points allowed is pretty important, but for the argument you are making -- that they should shoulder no blame -- you are totally 100% wrong.

And it's because you don't know how to use statistics to help you decide what the problems are. It's because you are trying to use them to prove that you are right, when you are not willing to consider the possibility that you are wrong.

You say that our offense doesn't control the clock. That's not true. They are 1) top ten in time of possession.

You say that they have no margin for error, because if they give up two touchdowns in a game, they lose. 2) I'll guarantee you that any defense that allows a TD to the Bengals on 25% of it's drives will lose.

We have no pass rush because Blache doesn't care about sacks.

3) We have a below average pass defense because he sells out to stop the run.

4) Our opponents that have horrible passing numbers against us also have worse numbers against everyone else. We've played Pittsburgh, Baltimore, Seattle, St. Louis, Cleveland, Detroit, and now Cincinnati. That was our entire non-divisional schedule in the time since our 4-1 start. We haven't played them very well at all on defense.

And most importantly, whenever we need a third down stop, we give up easy completions and can't get off the field.

Whoa, Whoa, Whoa...

1) Check the time of possession over the passed 6 games...

2) I'll guarantee you that the Bungles are averaging 25.6 points allowed. They scored 20 against us. I'll guarantee you that 10 of their 13 other opponents have scored 20 or more vs them this year.

3) Below average pass defense?? HUH?? Opponents completing 55% of their passes (3rd in NFL), a 75.1 QB rating against us (7th), 6.35 yards per attempt (5th), only 188 ypg against (6th)... all of this is BELOW average??

4) Talk about "not knowing how to use statistics" to make an argument....
Roethlisberger - 29.4 completion % / 15.1 QB rating vs Skins - 59.4% comp / 80.2 QBR overall
Flacco - 47% comp / 64.4 QBR vs Skins - 58.7% comp / 76.9 QBR overall
Hasselbeck - 50% comp /54.7 QBR vs Skins - 52% comp / 57.8 QBR overall
Bulger - 136 yds passing vs Skins
Anderson - 37.8% comp / 57.9 QBR vs Skins - 50.2% comp /66.5 QBR overall

and for the big ones....

Brees - season low 216yds, 69.6 QB Rating vs Skins - 93.9 QBR overall
and
Warner - season low 192 yds, 53.3% comp, 81.5 QBR vs Skins - 68.4%/97.5 QBR overall

So how does every team pass the ball WORSE against other teams??




Seriously... do not talk about someone not knowing how to read statistics... enough with the attacks, if you disagree, fine, but people don't go attacking others when you make no sense at all yourself...

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by MrJL

I agree. I'm not saying the D is bad. It's just not good enough that he should be untouchable.

And changing the O will on;y make next season worst. There's no such thing as a system that a coach just installs and it miraculously brings about everyone's best right away.

I applaud you MrJL. A moment of clarity.

[53Fan]

I found this interesting. Check out where the top 10 teams in sacks are. Pressure-packed: Contenders increasingly becoming sack-religious