Cerrato wants more draft picks

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by 44ever

Cerrato Wants More Draft Picks - D.C. Sports Bog

Vinny wants more than 4 picks. He also wants youth and depth. Sounds good to me.

Muhahahahah, yes it always sounds good, untill those draft picks become Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, and Justin Tryon. Jury's still out on all of them of course but right now my confidence in Vinny with more picks is very low. However if those picks become offensive and defensive lineman I will tip my hat to the man. Still though I would rather have him try to find a good player with an easier pick then trying to find value at the expense of our lines and such with later picks before the 5th round.

Either way if you held a gun to my head and said guess which positions the Redskins are going to draft with their first three picks (weather they be the 1,3, and 5 or whatever they turn into on draft day) I would guess we end up with a running back, outside linebacker, and cornerback followed by the same spiel of best player available. Really hope I get proved wrong.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Muhahahahah, yes it always sounds good, untill those draft picks become Malcolm Kelly, Fred Davis, Devin Thomas, and Justin Tryon. Jury's still out on all of them of course but right now my confidence in Vinny with more picks is very low. However if those picks become offensive and defensive lineman I will tip my hat to the man. Still though I would rather have him try to find a good player with an easier pick then trying to find value at the expense of our lines and such with later picks before the 5th round.

Either way if you held a gun to my head and said guess which positions the Redskins are going to draft with their first three picks (weather they be the 1,3, and 5 or whatever they turn into on draft day) I would guess we end up with a running back, outside linebacker, and cornerback followed by the same spiel of best player available. Really hope I get proved wrong.

Dude your acting like Thomas, Kelly and Davis were all bad picks. I think this coming season we will see what they are capable of. You can't say as of right now they were a bust.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

Dude your acting like Thomas, Kelly and Davis were all bad picks. I think this coming season we will see what they are capable of. You can't say as of right now they were a bust.

BRO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME THEN JUST SAY IT. Oh wait you did. lol. Anyway the thing I was trying draw attention to was the overkill on recievers with high picks. Despite the fact that among other things they could easily have gotten a nice number 2 tight end in 2007 with Ben Patrick (projected 3rd round by Mike Mayock), however we decided to go after Jordan Palmer only to cut him. All the while Patrick is providing decent production for Arizona including that nice two point conversion against the Eagles (Keep in mind the guy averages only 14.5 ypg but thats definately more then we got from Davis).

However among other things I do very much agree that the jury is still out. My fear is that as you go down the draft the number of quality tackles decreases at a much quicker rate. Very rarely will you see a guy like Joe Staley last as long as he did, and I wouldn't bank on finding the next Marcus McNeil or Tony Ugoh in the second round.

Right now all I want is for the team to sit pretty at 13 and take Michael Oher or BJ Rali. Preferably Oher because we need more help at Tackle and Tackles usually have an easier time coming in and contributing. Then follow that up with the best available guard or center. Find a quality depth guy in the 5th thats capable of collapsing the pocket, and then look for a special teams guy that might eventually become a servicealbe OLB.

To me that would be a wonderful draft.

Of course as said before I will not be surprised to see the team with a new running back, outside linebacker, and corner come draft day.

[SOUL-SKINS]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

BRO YOU GOT SOMETHING TO SAY TO ME THEN JUST SAY IT. Oh wait you did. lol. Anyway the thing I was trying draw attention to was the overkill on recievers with high picks. Despite the fact that among other things they could easily have gotten a nice number 2 tight end in 2007 with Ben Patrick (projected 3rd round by Mike Mayock), however we decided to go after Jordan Palmer only to cut him. All the while Patrick is providing decent production for Arizona including that nice two point conversion against the Eagles (Keep in mind the guy averages only 14.5 ypg but thats definately more then we got from Davis).

However among other things I do very much agree that the jury is still out. My fear is that as you go down the draft the number of quality tackles decreases at a much quicker rate. Very rarely will you see a guy like Joe Staley last as long as he did, and I wouldn't bank on finding the next Marcus McNeil or Tony Ugoh in the second round.

Right now all I want is for the team to sit pretty at 13 and take Michael Oher or BJ Rali. Preferably Oher because we need more help at Tackle and Tackles usually have an easier time coming in and contributing. Then follow that up with the best available guard or center. Find a quality depth guy in the 5th thats capable of collapsing the pocket, and then look for a special teams guy that might eventually become a servicealbe OLB.

To me that would be a wonderful draft.

Of course as said before I will not be surprised to see the team with a new running back, outside linebacker, and corner come draft day.

I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

[BaltimoreSkins]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

We had a kid with a big league leg at the HS I teach at. He is down at South Carolina now and red shirted this season. From what his dad was telling me at game this year, the kicking coach told him there are hundreds of guys with legs who could kick in the NFL, but only about 50 have the head for it. Based on that, I would rather bring in a bunch of guys and assess them than waste a draft pick on one.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by SOUL-SKINS

I actually agree with you DIRTBAG. I want to sit at #13 as well and take Oher. He will be a starter for 12 years. Then I think the center position should be addressed in round 3. and DL in round 5. But what about a place kicker. Do we go out and get one in free agency or do you draft the best avail. Place kickers are always over looked and are boy Suisham isn't cutting it.

I think we keep pick 13. As far as a kicker is concerned Sushi isn't that bad. Well, ya he is but he has shown some promise. I would hate to trade down just for the sake of getting more pics if we can get 1 game changer at 13.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."

[44ever]

Originally Posted by BigRedskinDaddy

I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."

I think that is true in most aspects in life as long as you are willing to learn from your mistakes and make the nessesary adjustments/changes to succeed

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by BigRedskinDaddy

I have a question for all the Vinny bashers out there. Personal feelings aside, do you believe it is possible for a person to grow into his or her role at that level, i.e. learn from experience and past mistakes? The league is rife with examples of successes who began miserably. Off the top of my head I can think of a handful of so-called "great" HC's who flamed out dramatically in their first stints as such.

It's said that the only true road to success is through failure. I'd like to think Cerrato is on that path; not every NFL exec can be as big a hit as Bill Polian -- usually they have some serious growing pains to undergo before they "get it."

I def don't have the expertise to answer. Just two thoughts though... not sure the HC comparison works. VC's real duty as I understand it is to get the very best talent into Redskins Park whereas the HC organizes, motivates and fosters that talent into results. Different skill set IMO and while the HC works w/ those players, builds rapport and basically turns experiences into knowledge, the talent gatherer has to evaluate a laundry list characteristics and various intangibles that separate players from eachother. I'm totally theorizing here but it seems a successful talent evaluator would've been around ball players for a long time and have a shit ton of experience to be really good at what they do.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I def don't have the expertise to answer. Just two thoughts though... not sure the HC comparison works. VC's real duty as I understand it is to get the very best talent into Redskins Park whereas the HC organizes, motivates and fosters that talent into results. Different skill set IMO and while the HC works w/ those players, builds rapport and basically turns experiences into knowledge, the talent gatherer has to evaluate a laundry list characteristics and various intangibles that separate players from eachother. I'm totally theorizing here but it seems a successful talent evaluator would've been around ball players for a long time and have a shit ton of experience to be really good at what they do.

Agreed. They are two different positions, with two entirely different sets of requirements. I don't think anyone would argue that Vinny has certainly lagged behind the rest of the class, so to speak, regarding his learning curve (if he even has one). Not to beat a dead horse or anything, but I still keep hoping he's starting to figure out what makes a good FO and what doesn't -- because he's likely our top brass for a while.