Cerrato wants more draft picks

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't see how there can be any doubt about what Cerrato's role is with the Redskins no matter what job title he's had. Between 2004-2007, when Joe Gibbs was Team President, the man most directly responsible for players added to the roster was Vinny Cerrato. How do we know this? Because Vinny has always dealt with the personnel aspect of football. Joe Gibbs knew Vinny's background, and decided to keep him in the front office.

If nothing else, Gibbs was a delegator. He knew what his own strengths and weaknesses were. I just don't see why it is such a mystery as to what the roles were in the area of player-personnel. Clearly, Vinny's job -- as it always has been -- was to assemble the film of all prospects, college or pro, grade each player, and come to Gibbs with a list of what he felt were the best players. Gibbs simply selected from that list. Yes, Gibbs had the ultimate say about which players to select. But, and this is key -- who supplied him the list?

Before Gibbs, during the Spurrier era, Vinny had the same role with even more authority. Prior to Spurrier, it was clear that Lil' Danny had his wish list. So in that instance, Vinny likely had no say one way or the other.

So again, I don't understand why some people find this situation so murky. When you look at the main components of a football organization, there's coaching, there's cap management, there's ownership/administrative duties, and then there's the player-personnel department. Apart from 2001 when Marty Schottenheimer fired Cerrato, no one during Lil' Danny's ownership of the team had more input in the realm of player-personnel than Vinny Cerrato.

Based on what I know Vinny didn't make 100% of the personnel decisions prior to last year, not even close in fact. There's always been a committee approach involved and Snyder was always the tie breaker. The level of Vinny's input varied from decision to decision, but I'm glad your crystal ball is so clear.

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Based on what I know Vinny didn't make 100% of the personnel decisions prior to last year, not even close in fact. There's always been a committee approach involved and Snyder was always the tie breaker. The level of Vinny's input varied from decision to decision, but I'm glad your crystal ball is so clear.

My interpritation of Beems post was that even though Vinny did not have final call on players, he prepared the reports and grades on many of the players that Gibbs or Snyder chose between. Gibbs and Spurrier were coaches not scouts...they had to rely on someone to compile the lists of possible targets. I don't think the Redskins even deny that Vinny had a key role in that process. Gibbs credited Vinny often when talking about a player they aquired. I don't blame vinny for every bad decison of the last 10 years, but I do believe he has played a significant role in the redskins personel decisions since Snyder purchase the team, so in my eyes we can never have a clean start as long as he is a part of it.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by celts32

My interpritation of Beems post was that even though Vinny did not have final call on players, he prepared the reports and grades on many of the players that Gibbs or Snyder chose between. Gibbs and Spurrier were coaches not scouts...they had to rely on someone to compile the lists of possible targets. I don't think the Redskins even deny that Vinny had a key role in that process. Gibbs credited Vinny often when talking about a player they aquired. I don't blame vinny for every bad decison of the last 10 years, but I do believe he has played a significant role in the redskins personel decisions since Snyder purchase the team, so in my eyes we can never have a clean start as long as he is a part of it.

Ok I can see what you're saying

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by celts32

My interpritation of Beems post was that even though Vinny did not have final call on players, he prepared the reports and grades on many of the players that Gibbs or Snyder chose between. Gibbs and Spurrier were coaches not scouts...they had to rely on someone to compile the lists of possible targets. I don't think the Redskins even deny that Vinny had a key role in that process. Gibbs credited Vinny often when talking about a player they aquired. I don't blame vinny for every bad decison of the last 10 years, but I do believe he has played a significant role in the redskins personel decisions since Snyder purchase the team, so in my eyes we can never have a clean start as long as he is a part of it.

Very good point. However we'll likely never know how many times Vinny provided a good recommendation that they declined to follow up on. Wilbon has always said that the team would be better off if it had listened to him more over the years. Don't know if he has any specific references to back that up though.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by celts32

My interpritation of Beems post was that even though Vinny did not have final call on players, he prepared the reports and grades on many of the players that Gibbs or Snyder chose between. Gibbs and Spurrier were coaches not scouts...they had to rely on someone to compile the lists of possible targets. I don't think the Redskins even deny that Vinny had a key role in that process. Gibbs credited Vinny often when talking about a player they aquired. I don't blame vinny for every bad decison of the last 10 years, but I do believe he has played a significant role in the redskins personel decisions since Snyder purchase the team, so in my eyes we can never have a clean start as long as he is a part of it.

Thank you. Yes, this is exactly what I'm saying.