Which move would most help the Redskins?

GoSkins! · 12-02-2004, 11:56 PM

We need a fresh offensive coordinater. With the money the skins have there is no reason we can't pull in another offensive "consulatant" or whatever to provide more input. I'll probably get ragged hard for saying this but... I wish we had Norv Turner back as the offensive coordinator. He wasn't the kind of guy that could motivate, but with Gibbs pushing the team and Norv and Greg running the o and d I think we would be unstoppable.

skinsguy · 12-03-2004, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

An offense that can score more than 18 points? One that has more than a two receiver set? An offense with some balance?

So Tampa Bay won the Super Bowl a couple years back on yesterday's offense (that was modeled after Joe Gibbs' offense?)

Its the players not the system.....you haven't even SEEN the system yet...because our receivers refuse to catch the ball consistantly.

heybigstar · 12-03-2004, 02:23 AM

I agree with the notion, Gibbs made a mistake on Brunell. But everyone makes mistakes, EVERYONE. Even Ozzie Newsome made a poor draft decision in Travis Taylor. Joe, I forgive you, and i know you can do it!

offiss · 12-03-2004, 04:13 AM

We have made very good moves other than Brunell, and Brunell was all Gibb's, I heard a rumor that Snyder and co. didn't want Brunell but Gibb's had the final say, Portis will be fine IF we accomadate the blocking scheme for him, G. William's talked Gibb's into Taylor, how good does that move look right now? I think it look's pretty good considering Winslow is out for the year and Cooley look's like he will be a tremendous TE for us, I think we are fine as far as talent evaluation I just feel we have to stay away from the big free agent's this year, trade Samuel's, Gardner, and Morton, for whatever we can get in draft pick's, then deal down our #1 to mid to late first rd. and go after linemen on both sides of the ball, and a bonified game breaker at kick returner that is how I believe we have to attack this draft. I don't think Gibb's put's enough stock in the draft as he should, if he changes I hope it is to look to the draft for our need's and not overpaying for established talent.

SmootSmack · 12-03-2004, 01:18 PM

I'd love for them to find some way to get Russ Grimm on this coaching staff. However, I think a front office move would be more beneficial.

So with that in mind I'd suggest they bring in a name that has been mentioned before, Tim Ruskell, assistant general manager of the Atlanta Falcons

SKINSnCANES · 12-03-2004, 01:27 PM

definitly a new cordinator, hands down.

I think we have the talent right now, We dont need many new players. Lets freaking call some plays though

SKINSnCANES · 12-03-2004, 01:28 PM

bring back spurrier as a cordinator, lol

diehardskin2982 · 12-03-2004, 01:48 PM

I'd say both in my opinion but an offensive coordinator more for the short term and GM for the long term. I'd love to see us hire former Lions head coach Marty Mornhinweg to come in as an offensive coordinator to assist in the tuteldge of Ramsey (former tutor of Bret Farve), and uses the west coach offense. I would live to see a hybrid of the Joe Gibbs Style and the West Coast passing style, Maybe someone like Mike Fairchild of Saint Louis. As for a Gm I would love to see one here... but the addition of one wouldn't mean the loss of Vinny because he is the vice president of football operations, and personal brown noser to Snyder... I would love to see a gm that is destinguished like Mark Hurney of Carolina, Kevin Colbert of pittsburgh, or someone like Dom Anile or Chris Polian of indi.

skinsguy · 12-03-2004, 01:55 PM

Vinny has to go no question about it! I think Daniel Synder knows it to! Whether if he admits to it or not is a completely different story.

MTK · 12-03-2004, 03:13 PM

I think a GM would help Gibbs the most. Like the article in the WP says, who is going to say no to Joe Gibbs if he sets his sights on a player? Is Vinny or Danny going to tell Joe Gibbs no? I highly doubt it.

A GM would help take some of the pressure off Gibbs in the personnel area and let him focus on what he does best, coach.

I think he's smart enough to fix what's wrong with the offense. I'm sure he already knows what needs to be done, but it's too hard to make major changes in the middle of the season. You can't overlook the fact that the offensive struggles aren't all on Gibbs either, the execution has been pretty miserable all year.

skinsguy · 12-03-2004, 03:20 PM

I believe this year is just trial and error anyway. Don't get me wrong, I think Gibbs wants to win, but I believe the biggest focal point of this year is finding out who the team players are and who are willing to give it 110%. I do think the Redskins need to finish strong enough to give us an idea as to who we can depend on though.

I also don't believe we have seen near as much of the system as what we thought we would see this year.

SKINSnCANES · 12-03-2004, 09:01 PM

If we dotn finish strong I dont think its going to matter who our GM is, people arent going to want to come and play for us. Players have always had high hopes for coming here, along with a big paycheck to do it. But players also want to win.

sportscurmudgeon · 12-03-2004, 09:17 PM

Ramseyfan:

Honestly, I was not trying to take a pot shot at Vinnie Boombatz with my comment about the trainwreck in SF. I was only referring to the goofs there for the last couple of years who have managed to eat a lot of dead money AND stock the team with sub-standard talent. When I wrote that note, I had actually forgotten for a moment that he ahd ever been in SF.

Vinnie was there in a different incarnation. I don't think he belings in the same category as the folks in New England, Philly, PIttsburgh or some other places, but he is waaay better than the guys in SF now.

kingerock · 12-04-2004, 05:18 PM

I say try and pry Fassel from Baltimore and keep him from taking a college or another NFL job. He is great with QBs which is where we need most of our help. Let him be a "coordinator" and get a WRs coach in here that can keep the WRs focused and catching.

skinsguy · 12-05-2004, 01:07 PM

Three things: Hope we have our offensive line healthy all season long next season -- and add a heavy jumbo package for short downs; add a big power fullback on third downs or plays in which we need a powerback to get that first down or on goal line; add a sure handed veteran wide receiver to be mentor to the receivers we have on the team right now -- let him be the "go to guy" when we need sure hands or a possession receiver and let him take Gardner's place. With those three things, our offense should be worlds apart from what it is this year.

View Poll Results: Which move would most help the Redskins?
Hiring a proven GM	34	62.96%
Hiring a proven offensive coordinator to help Gibbs bring his offense up to speed	20	37.04%
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12-03-2004, 02:23 AM	#18
heybigstar Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Age: 41 Posts: 375	I agree with the notion, Gibbs made a mistake on Brunell. But everyone makes mistakes, EVERYONE. Even Ozzie Newsome made a poor draft decision in Travis Taylor. Joe, I forgive you, and i know you can do it! __________________ Hail to the Redskins.

12-03-2004, 01:18 PM	#20
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I'd love for them to find some way to get Russ Grimm on this coaching staff. However, I think a front office move would be more beneficial. So with that in mind I'd suggest they bring in a name that has been mentioned before, Tim Ruskell, assistant general manager of the Atlanta Falcons __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

12-03-2004, 01:27 PM	#21
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	definitly a new cordinator, hands down. I think we have the talent right now, We dont need many new players. Lets freaking call some plays though __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

12-03-2004, 01:28 PM	#22
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	bring back spurrier as a cordinator, lol __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

12-02-2004, 11:56 PM	#16
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	We need a fresh offensive coordinater. With the money the skins have there is no reason we can't pull in another offensive "consulatant" or whatever to provide more input. I'll probably get ragged hard for saying this but... I wish we had Norv Turner back as the offensive coordinator. He wasn't the kind of guy that could motivate, but with Gibbs pushing the team and Norv and Greg running the o and d I think we would be unstoppable.

12-03-2004, 04:13 AM	#19
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	We have made very good moves other than Brunell, and Brunell was all Gibb's, I heard a rumor that Snyder and co. didn't want Brunell but Gibb's had the final say, Portis will be fine IF we accomadate the blocking scheme for him, G. William's talked Gibb's into Taylor, how good does that move look right now? I think it look's pretty good considering Winslow is out for the year and Cooley look's like he will be a tremendous TE for us, I think we are fine as far as talent evaluation I just feel we have to stay away from the big free agent's this year, trade Samuel's, Gardner, and Morton, for whatever we can get in draft pick's, then deal down our #1 to mid to late first rd. and go after linemen on both sides of the ball, and a bonified game breaker at kick returner that is how I believe we have to attack this draft. I don't think Gibb's put's enough stock in the draft as he should, if he changes I hope it is to look to the draft for our need's and not overpaying for established talent.

12-03-2004, 01:48 PM	#23
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	I'd say both in my opinion but an offensive coordinator more for the short term and GM for the long term. I'd love to see us hire former Lions head coach Marty Mornhinweg to come in as an offensive coordinator to assist in the tuteldge of Ramsey (former tutor of Bret Farve), and uses the west coach offense. I would live to see a hybrid of the Joe Gibbs Style and the West Coast passing style, Maybe someone like Mike Fairchild of Saint Louis. As for a Gm I would love to see one here... but the addition of one wouldn't mean the loss of Vinny because he is the vice president of football operations, and personal brown noser to Snyder... I would love to see a gm that is destinguished like Mark Hurney of Carolina, Kevin Colbert of pittsburgh, or someone like Dom Anile or Chris Polian of indi. __________________ That got ugly fast

12-03-2004, 01:55 PM	#24
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Vinny has to go no question about it! I think Daniel Synder knows it to! Whether if he admits to it or not is a completely different story.

12-03-2004, 03:13 PM	#25
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	I think a GM would help Gibbs the most. Like the article in the WP says, who is going to say no to Joe Gibbs if he sets his sights on a player? Is Vinny or Danny going to tell Joe Gibbs no? I highly doubt it. A GM would help take some of the pressure off Gibbs in the personnel area and let him focus on what he does best, coach. I think he's smart enough to fix what's wrong with the offense. I'm sure he already knows what needs to be done, but it's too hard to make major changes in the middle of the season. You can't overlook the fact that the offensive struggles aren't all on Gibbs either, the execution has been pretty miserable all year.

12-03-2004, 03:20 PM	#26
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I believe this year is just trial and error anyway. Don't get me wrong, I think Gibbs wants to win, but I believe the biggest focal point of this year is finding out who the team players are and who are willing to give it 110%. I do think the Redskins need to finish strong enough to give us an idea as to who we can depend on though. I also don't believe we have seen near as much of the system as what we thought we would see this year.

12-03-2004, 09:01 PM	#27
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	If we dotn finish strong I dont think its going to matter who our GM is, people arent going to want to come and play for us. Players have always had high hopes for coming here, along with a big paycheck to do it. But players also want to win. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

12-03-2004, 09:17 PM	#28
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Ramseyfan: Honestly, I was not trying to take a pot shot at Vinnie Boombatz with my comment about the trainwreck in SF. I was only referring to the goofs there for the last couple of years who have managed to eat a lot of dead money AND stock the team with sub-standard talent. When I wrote that note, I had actually forgotten for a moment that he ahd ever been in SF. Vinnie was there in a different incarnation. I don't think he belings in the same category as the folks in New England, Philly, PIttsburgh or some other places, but he is waaay better than the guys in SF now. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

12-04-2004, 05:18 PM	#29
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 48 Posts: 360	I say try and pry Fassel from Baltimore and keep him from taking a college or another NFL job. He is great with QBs which is where we need most of our help. Let him be a "coordinator" and get a WRs coach in here that can keep the WRs focused and catching. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

12-05-2004, 01:07 PM	#30
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Three things: Hope we have our offensive line healthy all season long next season -- and add a heavy jumbo package for short downs; add a big power fullback on third downs or plays in which we need a powerback to get that first down or on goal line; add a sure handed veteran wide receiver to be mentor to the receivers we have on the team right now -- let him be the "go to guy" when we need sure hands or a possession receiver and let him take Gardner's place. With those three things, our offense should be worlds apart from what it is this year.

Which move would most help the Redskins?

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